Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[FuzzyBear]

19 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Is it talk pish on P&B day?

 

That would be unusual !

[harry94]

41 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

YouGov called it at 302 Tories, 269 Labour. The result was 315 Tories, 257 Labour.

Their predictive model was also projecting CON 42% and LAB 38% which was within the margin of error.

I don't think that facts really make any difference with this particular poster though. He lives in his own wee world.

[NotThePars]

On Greece: the whole thing was fuelled by reckless lending from among others Deutsche Bank so the idea it was the fault of the Greek people is rubbish.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2012-05-23/merkel-should-know-her-country-has-been-bailed-out-too
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/greeces-debt-burden-the-truth-finally-emerges

In the now-famous words of Karl Otto Pöhl, a former head of the Bundesbank, the bailout “was about protecting German banks, but especially the French banks, from debt write-offs.”

 


I think Adam Tooze, or whoever reviewed his book for the LRB, argued the same thing.

[harry94]

30 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

On Greece: the whole thing was fuelled by reckless lending from among others Deutsche Bank so the idea it was the fault of the Greek people is rubbish.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2012-05-23/merkel-should-know-her-country-has-been-bailed-out-too

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/greeces-debt-burden-the-truth-finally-emerges

 

In addition to this, if you actually look at the simple geography of Greece, it's pretty difficult to build some basic infrastructure - it costs a lot and a lot of this can be associated with tax collection functions.

They then have the issue of their biggest natural asset, i.e. the entry to the Black Sea, requiring a lot of attention to maintain and protect against Turkey and Russia testing them. That then forces them to maintain quite a large military and navy just to show presence and it's quite vast when you look at their spending per capita.

It's quite an easy narrative just to say some lazy Greek boy started taking out loads of loans to pay finance on German cars and hide from the authorities though (who were also too lazy to do anything). It was systematic failings, exasperated by some unique difficulties to Greece, combined with predatory banking.

[Scary Bear]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/what-is-article-50-the-only-explanation-you-need-to-read/

Would the easiest thing not be to revoke Article 50 and then either decide it’s too hard to breakaway from the EU or put together some sort of workable solution before invoking Article 50 again?

[Kyle]

Remainers now putting no confidence letters into the 1922 committee and Merkel saying there can be no movement on the deal minutes after the meeting finished with May.

 

Just put the poor woman out of her misery. Someone.

[Savage Henry]

Remainers now putting no confidence letters into the 1922 committee and Merkel saying there can be no movement on the deal minutes after the meeting finished with May.
 
Just put the poor woman out of her misery. Someone.

She’s flying to Ireland to be told the same thing.

[Kyle]

 

 

And here we go.

[Granny Danger]

I put my letter in a short time ago.

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by Granny Danger

[Kyle]

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

I put my letter in a short time ago.

 

Knew it - you're Ross Thomson.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Germany's a net contributor to the EU, Greece a net beneficiary.  

And Germany runs a trade surplus with Greece that far exceeds it's contributions. Before the crisis the German "share" of the Greek net benefit was roughly 1bn Eu and they had a trade surplus of 7bn Eu. It's explicitly clear which way the money is flowing.

The idea that German taxpayers fund Greek pensioners is nonsense.

[Detournement]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

YouGov called it at 302 Tories, 269 Labour. The result was 315 Tories, 257 Labour.

Again no.

That wasn't a Yougov poll. They brought in a statisician from Stanford to create a mass model to analyse every constituency and apply the aggregate of all polling to make a prediction.

Their polling was miles out.

Edited December 11, 2018 by Detournement

[H Wragg]

Jenny Chapman has said Labour no confidence motion will be tabled “before Santa comes”.

[Jan Vojáček]

"This simply cannot stand," the one-time moderniser told me. "The Irish really should know their place."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46528952

Hopefully Varadkar has a wee read of this article before May turns up.

[Granny Danger]

I reckon if May applied for a loan from Wonga she’d get turned down; that’s how low her standing is.

 

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, harry94 said:

 

It's quite an easy narrative just to say some lazy Greek boy started taking out loads of loans to pay finance on German cars and hide from the authorities though (who were also too lazy to do anything). It was systematic failings, exasperated by some unique difficulties to Greece, combined with predatory banking.

They also lied their heads off about their financial stats to fool the European Central Bank and keep the good times rolling.

[Detournement]

Anna Soubry has stated she will vote for Theresa May in a no confidence vote.

Anna Soubry was on a panel this afternoon demanding Labour call a no confidence vote.

 

 

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I'd say on the whole the Tories have done well economically to tidy up the mess left behind by Labour.
But that's neither here nor there. You're behaving like sturgeon giving deflection after deflection and mentioning the Tories twice a sentence.
Tell me what the SNP have done to prove themselves worthy of a vote let alone be trusted with more powers.

Yes the economy is in a fine state. Those food banks are bursting with investment.

[John Lambies Doos]

She’s flying to Ireland to be told the same thing.

Brilliant. Hope Ireland stick the boot right in.

[NotThePars]

Anna Soubry has stated she will vote for Theresa May in a no confidence vote.
Anna Soubry was on a panel this afternoon demanding Labour call a no confidence vote.
 
 
 

Imagine Anna Soubry in like Game of Thrones. Turning up at the Red Wedding kitted out in full armour and asking why nobody is willing to sit next to her at the dinner table.