Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[cyderspaceman]

2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

I've been thinking along those lines for a wee while myself. However, Scotland hasn't actually tried to leave the UK, so we don't know how difficult that might be.

I supect a whole host of unexpected obstacles would arise. Perfidious Albion.

[Fullerene]

7 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said:

It seems anyone can change his or her mind...except the electorate. 

I honestly can't see why another referendum is being ruled out.

(except of course by the diehard, staunch,  self-promoting europhobes who know they would lose.

Oh, and the terminally stupid.)

There  are also people concerned that Leave supporters will cancel their church bazaars and run riot through the streets of London throwing scones and teacakes at each and everyone.

[Scary Bear]

3 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

We triggered A50, the timetable is our own choosing. If the EU bent the rules to accommodate the UK to no obvious benefit to the rest of the EU, all that would do is send a message that other countries with sizeable eurosceptic elements would seize on to leave also. Only takes a few of those before byebye Galileo, byebye Airbus, byebye environmental and employment directives we all benefit from every day, byebye containment of Russia and so on. If British economic anguish is the price of protecting those for the rest, you can rest assured it is a price the EU27 is willing to pay.

From memory, the EU wouldn’t negotiate with us until we triggered Article 50, then they wanted to discuss money before discussing future relationship, etc. So to say the timeline is of our own choosing seems disingenuous. 

I would like to know how the EU came up with the timeline for Article 50 when they were drafting the Lisbon Treaty. Two years doesn’t seem a long time given the various issues which have arisen. 

It’s not a good situation when it’s too difficult to leave an organisation, so you are essentially trapped unless you want to create instability.

 

[Savage Henry]

There  are also people concerned that Leave supporters will cancel their church bazaars and run riot through the streets of London throwing scones and teacakes at each and everyone.

The jam on those scones won’t be affordable as the raspberries all come from France. As soon as the Canterbury elites find this out, they’ll be asking for a second referendum.

[ayrmad]

1 minute ago, Scary Bear said:

From memory, the EU wouldn’t negotiate with us until we triggered Article 50, then they wanted to discuss money before discussing future relationship, etc. So to say the timeline is of our own choosing seems disingenuous. 

I would like to know how the EU came up with the timeline for Article 50 when they were drafting the Lisbon Treaty. Two years doesn’t seem a long time given the various issues which have arisen. 

It’s not a good situation when it’s too difficult to leave an organisation, so you are essentially trapped unless you want to create instability.

 

We're only trapped in a long drawn out process because we want our cake and we're arrogant enough to think the EU will spoon feed it to us.

[Baxter Parp]

2 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

From memory, the EU wouldn’t negotiate with us until we triggered Article 50,

We didn't know what the hell we wanted when we triggered it, we were in no position to negotiate anything.

[ayrmad]

1 minute ago, Baxter Parp said:

We don't know what the hell we want nearly 2 years after triggering it, we are in no position to negotiate anything.

 

[Scary Bear]

3 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

We didn't know what the hell we wanted when we triggered it, we were in no position to negotiate anything.

True. If only they had a white paper. 

Still, as I recall, after triggering Article 50, the talk was all about how much money the U.K. would pay the EU. In hindsight, it would probably been better to hold off on triggering Article 50.

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

We didn't know what the hell we wanted when we triggered it, we were in no position to negotiate anything.

Our top notch and well prepared negotiating team at the first meeting.

[Scary Bear]

2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

It would be a reasonable assumption that the party wishing to leave would have some idea about realistic terns before triggering it, no?

Yes, it would. However, for some inexplicable reason, they appointed May as PM. A woman who had been less than prominent during the Brexit referendum campaign. Even now, does she know what she wants? What does she really believe? She is such a wishy-washy PM.

[ayrmad]

4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

It would be a reasonable assumption that the party wishing to leave would have some idea about realistic terns before triggering it, no?

If that assumption was a shot at goal, it would go out for a throw in.

[jamieson87]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Our top notch and well prepared negotiating team at the first meeting.

Easiest deal in  history, remember?

Edited December 11, 2018 by jamieson87

[Detournement]

2 hours ago, harry94 said:

YouGov were the one company who called the last election very correctly and recognised that young people were going to turn out and vote Labour. In fact, their seat projections were substantial enough to have given Labour enough to form a government and it was likely that they got things spot on with a wee shift back to the incumbencies in the final days.

Good Tories like to make money and the way you do that from a polling company is getting the correct credentials from doing your job properly. There's no conspiracy of real polling companies rigging data and it's lunacy to suggest so. It's very different to the odd 'DAILY MAIL CAN REVEAL JRM IS MOST POPULAR LEADER IN UNIVERSE FROM OUR EXCLUSIVE (Facebook) POLL'.

It's such an odd thought process and there's not a single piece of logic I can attach to that makes any sense.

You are talking shite again. The final Yougov poll was 42-35 in favour of the Tories.

 

[Granny Danger]

18 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

The jam on those scones won’t be affordable as the raspberries all come from France. As soon as the Canterbury elites find this out, they’ll be asking for a second referendum.

 

That is blatant nonsense; the raspberries come from Tayside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course the pickers all come (came) from Eastern Europe.

[Detournement]

55 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Greek teachers were retiring at 55 on 80% of their final year's salary, paid for in part by taxes paid by German teachers who retire at 65 or 67. They were taking the pish. No wonder they kept voting in corrupt Governments.

Is it talk pish on P&B day?

There were no fiscal transfers (nor have there been) from Germany to Greece or any other Eurozone nations.

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

You are talking shite again. The final Yougov poll was 42-35 in favour of the Tories.

 

YouGov called it at 302 Tories, 269 Labour. The result was 315 Tories, 257 Labour.

[Granny Danger]

18 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

It would be a reasonable assumption that the party wishing to leave would have some idea about realistic terns before triggering it, no?

That idea is strictly for the birds.

 

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Is it talk pish on P&B day?

There were no fiscal transfers (nor have there been) from Germany to Greece or any other Eurozone nations.

Germany's a net contributor to the EU, Greece a net beneficiary.  

[RedRob72]

Our top notch and well prepared negotiating team at the first meeting.

I don’t know how that wee w**k Davis, has got the brass neck to stand up in the commons and complain about how the government is failing in its negotiations with the EU. You’ve had your chance ya wee shite, button it. Honestly, the barefaced shameless cheek of it!![emoji47]

[Londonwell]

H_B has really spoiling for a fight the last wee while. All over the forum and on most subjects. The tumbleweed he receives just seems to rile him more.

Hope you’re alright mate, don’t let things get to you too much.