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3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

One Tory PM suggesting that Parliament can force the vote even if May doesn’t want it.  Not sure if that’s  procedurally possible.

 

Is that not simply a de facto vote of no confidence?  

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5 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

See, the problem is you assume Labour would win.  They wouldn't.  All it would do is return the Tories with an even smaller number of seats.  

A second referendum is pretty much the only way out of this mess that doesn't result in endless stalemate.  And even then...

 

What I would really like to see is Labour win with a tiny majority and then having to rely on SNP  support to actually govern.

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Just now, Savage Henry said:

Is that not simply a de facto vote of no confidence?  

They might not see it as such, rather taking May’s proposal of the table so forcing other choices.

It will be interesting to see how May spins this humiliation.

I’m about to be incommunicado for 3 hours due to a flight.  I look forward to catching up upon landing. :lol:

 

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3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

They might not see it as such, rather taking May’s proposal of the table so forcing other choices.

It will be interesting to see how May spins this humiliation.

I’m about to be incommunicado for 3 hours due to a flight.  I look forward to catching up upon landing. :lol:

 

You assume we'll all still be here in three hours.

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Rather than losing the vote and the possibility of resigning (then a No Confidence Vote triggering a GE) she has nudged a 2nd Vote even closer. Surely that’s good news for those who wish to reverse the decision to leave?
Sturgeon labels May a coward but I’m pretty sure she would have accused her of being obstinate, stubborn and pig headed had she blindly gone ahead tomorrow. May cannot satisfy the majority of the house, going back to the electorate is her only option now, assuming she wants to remain as PM.

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If as seems likely this is just a postponement of the vote until early January rather than a drastic change of position such as supporting a second referendum, calling an election or seeking an extension to Article 50, it's an absolutely incredible act of cowardice that can only end badly for May anyway.

Running away from the vote for a few weeks in the hope a solution will magically materialise from nowhere - perhaps Santa will drop a trade deal down the chimney - to prevent the inevitable defeat is considerably more damaging to her credibility than just losing it would be. Not that most people were ever daft enough to believe it, but it completely shatters the notion that she's been landed with a mess and is just muddling through trying to do the best for the country with no thought for personal gain blah blah blah. Kicking this a few weeks down the road when the timetable is already tight and she knows no renegotiation is possible is just an appallingly selfish thing to do.

Surely she's actually putting herself at risk of losing a confidence vote now? Even the many factions of the Tories who are variously terrified of Labour getting in, or of the ERG taking control, or of Brexit not happening at all, are going to look at this and realise this is the behaviour of a pathetic coward whose only motivation is saving her own skin. There's got to be a chance they'll decide that despite the risks of the alternatives they have no choice but to bin such a ridiculous incompetent.

David Mundell will of course be the first to resign in protest.

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7 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

We may have Brexited by then and he'll get turned back by the Ibiza/Tenerife/Lanzarote* border guard.

*delete as appropriate.

A better scenario might be that they let him in but he couldn't get out again...

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8 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

If as seems likely this is just a postponement of the vote until early January rather than a drastic change of position such as supporting a second referendum, calling an election or seeking an extension to Article 50, it's an absolutely incredible act of cowardice that can only end badly for May anyway.

Running away from the vote for a few weeks in the hope a solution will magically materialise from nowhere - perhaps Santa will drop a trade deal down the chimney - to prevent the inevitable defeat is considerably more damaging to her credibility than just losing it would be. Not that most people were ever daft enough to believe it, but it completely shatters the notion that she's been landed with a mess and is just muddling through trying to do the best for the country with no thought for personal gain blah blah blah. Kicking this a few weeks down the road when the timetable is already tight and she knows no renegotiation is possible is just an appallingly selfish thing to do.

Surely she's actually putting herself at risk of losing a confidence vote now? Even the many factions of the Tories who are variously terrified of Labour getting in, or of the ERG taking control, or of Brexit not happening at all, are going to look at this and realise this is the behaviour of a pathetic coward whose only motivation is saving her own skin. There's got to be a chance they'll decide that despite the risks of the alternatives they have no choice but to bin such a ridiculous incompetent.

David Mundell will of course be the first to resign in protest.

Theresa May is dead in the water whichever way she goes.  Hard Brexit won't get passed.  Her deal won't get passed.  A second referendum and she loses a vote of confidence. A leadership challenge is likely to result in PM Johnson.   A general election and she's in danger of losing her seat.  

If she had any political nous, she would have called a leadership challenge and then forced through her agreement.  At one point she would have won that challenge, a la John Major.  At this stage, she'd almost certainly lose.  

She may go down as the least competent PM of all time, and the least talented Tory leader since IDS.

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7 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

Theresa May is dead in the water whichever way she goes.  Hard Brexit won't get passed.  Her deal won't get passed.  A second referendum and she loses a vote of confidence. A leadership challenge is likely to result in PM Johnson.   A general election and she's in danger of losing her seat.  

If she had any political nous, she would have called a leadership challenge and then forced through her agreement.  At one point she would have won that challenge, a la John Major.  At this stage, she'd almost certainly lose.  

She may go down as the least competent PM of all time, and the least talented Tory leader since IDS.

May has a majority of over 26,000 votes, so I think that's a slightly ambitious reading of things. 

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6 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

May has a majority of over 26,000 votes, so I think that's a slightly ambitious reading of things. 

Perhaps.  But still.  I think the majority of her electorate will be of the Daily Mail/anti-Johnny Foreigner brigade.  And, lest we forget, it didn't take long for Thatcher's constituency to turn fickle.

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