Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Just now, O'Kelly Isley III said: Just now, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Given time Holyrood will go the same way as Westminster. All parliaments do. Ach well, better just stay with Westminster then. Exactly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Given time Holyrood will go the same way as Westminster. All parliaments do.There's less money involved and so less corruption. I take your point though, as it's very naive to think that our politicians are somehow a better class of people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, pandarilla said: There's less money involved and so less corruption. I take your point though, as it's very naive to think that our politicians are somehow a better class of people. Sure the reason SLAB are so useless is that anyone with ambition/greed targeted Westminster for their careers. SNP probably have far better MSP's because they have more meaning in Holyrood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, pandarilla said: There's less money involved and so less corruption. I take your point though, as it's very naive to think that our politicians are somehow a better class of people. It's so obvious that the hegemony that exists at Westminster could not exist in a smaller, clean slate Edinburgh environment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Exactly. Please explain why.....I'm genuinely interested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Given time Holyrood will go the same way as Westminster. All parliaments do. The laziest, stupidest thinking imaginable. Is this the best that cheerleaders of dependence can do? “The system is shite, but we might be shite too, so let’s suffer under it anyway”. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, sophia said: It's so obvious that the hegemony that exists at Westminster could not exist in a smaller, clean slate Edinburgh environment. You're either naive or deluded. Use Glasgow City Council as your litmus test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 hours ago, pandarilla said: There's less money involved and so less corruption. I take your point though, as it's very naive to think that our politicians are somehow a better class of people. 20th Century Westminster has been massively influenced by Scots. "A better class of people"? Really? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You're either naive or deluded. Use Glasgow City Council as your litmus test. Neither. The labour councillors existed in the context of a British construct. It's no coincidence that the transparency of our evolving democracy has seen them gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 minute ago, sophia said: Neither. The labour councillors existed in the context of a British construct. It's no coincidence that the transparency of our evolving democracy has seen them gone. Deary me. Their Snipper replacements are as equally venal and vacuous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Deary me. Their Snipper replacements are as equally venal and vacuous. Oh no they're not ..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 minute ago, sophia said: Oh no they're not ..... Pfft. You believe in a clean slate Edinburgh environment Unicorns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Pfft. You believe in a clean slate Edinburgh environment Unicorns. You believe that the SNP hate The Rangers. You're wrong. Everyone hates The Rangers 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Ah excellent. Kincy is on the turps again. This should be fun. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 It's so obvious that the hegemony that exists at Westminster could not exist in a smaller, clean slate Edinburgh environment. It's really not obvious at all. Power corrupts. Independence would give Holyrood substantially more power, and I'm not in any way convinced it wouldn't eventually sink to the cesspit levels so currently evident at Westminster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Power corrupts. Does it? Is this something you are certain of under all circumstances? Do you think a modern focussed democracy would allow it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Everyone hates The Rangers You are absolutely right, of course. This is the only unifying, and probably, defining message of New Scotland.. I watched us hand Albania a footballing lesson last night. Not often you see Scotland boss a team away from home. An enjoyable watch and a rare one from someone who started supporting Scotland in the mid 60s. What did you see on the match thread? A considerable number of empty-headed yessers trying to make puerile jokes about Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, pandarilla said: It's really not obvious at all. Power corrupts. Independence would give Holyrood substantially more power, and I'm not in any way convinced it wouldn't eventually sink to the cesspit levels so currently evident at Westminster. It’s a hoary old cliche to claim that power corrupts. It can, but it doesn’t necessarily. Is every boss in a management position corrupt? Is every police officer corrupt? How about every leader of every political party; has every single one been corrupted? It’s just a lazy bromide. The fact is that certain powerful institutions can be enabled to allow corruption, depending on the soundness of monitoring processes, the ability of an engaged populace to question authority via open and accountable means, and the willingness of the people in charge to play by the rules. Similarly, strong checks and balances, impartial watchdogs, and a willingness of electors and appointers to hold incuments to account can help guard against corruption. But that doesn’t make for a catchy aphorism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You are absolutely right, of course. This is the only unifying, and probably, defining message of New Scotland.. I watched us hand Albania a footballing lesson last night. Not often you see Scotland boss a team away from home. An enjoyable watch and a rare one from someone who started supporting Scotland in the mid 60s. What did you see on the match thread? A considerable number of empty-headed yessers trying to make puerile jokes about Rangers. It's telling that you appear to be more interested in looking at a forum and looking for anti-Rangers bias rather than watching & enjoying an excellent Scotland performance. I wasn't looking at the match thread - I watched the game. Edited to add: See you at Hampden on Tuesday? Edited November 18, 2018 by lichtgilphead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Kinky back at the gin again. This will be priceless reading. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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