Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[banana]

Some of these Conservative MPs viewing what to do next with Brexit in terms of them staying in government need shot.

Party politics at its vilest.

[Savage Henry]

7 minutes ago, renton said:

Yeah, like that one.

Indie thread for this pish.

[RiG]

12 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

But is Scotland guaranteed an acceptance of their application?

Yes, because we're ballers.

[Granny Danger]

13 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:

She ain’t getting any help from Blackford at WM, that’s for sure. He couldnae hit a cow’s arse with a banjo! Inept and thoroughly useless.
His pettiness is almost childlike.

I totally agree.

He stood up and put forward the case for the people of Scotland.  What was he thinking?  Outrageous behaviour.

 

[milton75]

18 minutes ago, MuckleMoo said:

Can we get this independence chat the f**k to the appropriate thread. This thread is for pointing and laughing at the utter fucking shambles that is Brexit

We can, but it's amusing to bring it up every now and then.

One doesn't have to mention Scotland specifically (why bother; the Brexit agreement doesn't), but what one can now say with reasonable certainty is that the greatest damage to the stability of the union is being done by a Conservative government that was until recently being propped up by the DUP.

It's delightful.

[Ross.]

26 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

And would an independent Scotland be guaranteed a place in the European Union?

No guarantees but it would put Scotland in an exceptionally strong position in terms of setting out terms to both rUK and the EU.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

The pound is falling, all around me

Tories playing, having fun

It's the treason 

Of Gove and Boris Johnson

Merry Brexit everyone

[Granny Danger]

50+ questions and only a couple supportive/sympathetic.

This debate is farcical and is simply theatre.  

[welshbairn]

https://twitter.com/business/status/1063043095405776897

[SweeperDee]

Gove is either going to become brexit secretary or resign. Tasty.

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

1 hour ago, Antlion said:

Cor, you don’t see much on your Orange Lodge marches or at your Tory branch office conferences,  do you?

And there it is........they kept it hidden but it had to come out eventually

[GiGi]

4 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

https://twitter.com/business/status/1063043095405776897

There goes my share save. Stupid, stupid c***s in this government.

[GiGi]

5 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

Gove is going to become brexit secretary and resign. Tasty.

Ftfy

Edited November 15, 2018 by GiGi

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

55 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

You dont really get how politics works do you? Ill take no lectures on politics from a forelock tugging wankgibbon.

The last three words sum you up. How does politics work then?

 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

1 hour ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Is he being servile or are you just glibly throwing out your usual sound bites. Wether we like it or Not, the Brexit shitfest HAS to be sorted before we can even think of another referendum. An SNP administration who pushes for a new referendum whilst we are in this cacophony of uncertainty are utterly opportunistic and playing a dangerous game with Scotland's future. As a non national I would like to believe that the present Scottish government would desist from such a temptation.

There is every chance my friend that if the crazies storm the Brexit cockpit there wont't BE any Scottsish Government.  Why turn your ire on people whose main aim, whether you agree with it or not, is the best for Scotland, when the man who played the dangerous game was the then Tory Prime Minister David Cameron, and all because of a structural fault line in his party.  Just like his intervention in Libya, he has bequeathed an utter shambles.

And for the avoidance of doubt, there is NO good Brexit outcome for Scotland, and people here need to recognise that.

Edited November 15, 2018 by O'Kelly Isley III

[Savage Henry]

13 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

https://twitter.com/business/status/1063043095405776897

For those of us paid in dollars, today has been a great day.  A great day.

For those of us paid in pounds, it's been pretty hilarious anyway.

[RedRob72]

The unionists on this site trying to hijack the debate and detract from May’s complete shambles.
 

She has nowhere to turn, each and every single compromise (and compromise is what is required irrespective of being a supporter of Brexit or not) has been roundly rejected.
The same tired ‘solutions’ and counter arguments are trotted out repeatedly.
Stay in the Single Market/Customs Union = It’s goes against the result of the vote
Offer a 2nd vote ‘People’s Vote’ = It goes against the democratic vote and will of the people
Have an open border in Northern Ireland = It separates NI from the rest of the U.K.
Break with No Deal = A suicidal option
Just simply postpone Article 50 and stay in the EU for the time being = Again it doesn’t deliver upon what people voted for, ‘Leave Means Leave’
etc..etc.. it goes on and on.

At some point a negotiated compromise has to emerge however unpalatable certain elements may be to those on all sides of the debate. The only real certainty to come of this whole mess was the complexity of the terms of exit. It is impossible to please everyone.

May didn’t want this, and she’s clearly struggled and stumbled throughout.
At least she’s stuck it out though and not simply thrown in the towel to join the shameless band of opportunists who have left the scene previously without any responsibility or consideration as to the consequences of their selfish actions.

She doesn’t have a strong hand at the table but It’s the only one she can play.
With only a few months left to work with, and a huge amount of detail still to resolve, if we accept that we ARE leaving the EU, Parliament should endorse this proposal. The remaining time left before our departure should be spent in fine tuning the agreement to the best possible acceptance of both sides. Leaving the EU was never going to be easy, but it serves neither party to arrive in March still undecided, splintered and fragmented as a Union.
And until someone decides otherwise, (whether in Edinburgh, Belfast or elsewhere) for the time being it is a Union we are.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The "Stay in the Single Market/Customs Union = It’s goes against the result of the vote" is the one that really gets on my nerves.

If she had the guts to challenge this in the first place then she would not be in trouble in the first place. I have absolutely f**k all sympathy for her.

[zidane's child]

19 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

Gove is either going to become brexit secretary or resign. Tasty.

He'll stay on board in that case. That job will look good on his CV

[GiGi]

4 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:

Offer a 2nd vote ‘People’s Vote’ = It goes against the democratic vote and will of the people

How does a democratic vote go against a democratic vote?

Here, people of the UK. With 2 years of additional facts and material evidence of what various forms of brexit would mean for the country, do you still think leaving the EU is the best course of action?

That's what needs to happen. There's nothing undemocratic about asking for a vote after the facts as opposed to before and steaming ahead regardless.