O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: The EU love QE nowadays so I doubt it's under any threat. So, we are agreed, they are all at it; rather negates your original point then, no ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 A graph of house prices in newly built urbanisations full of British pensioners would be more relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Fairly timid from Corbyn at PMQ's. The SNP are more of an opposition these days! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, O'Kelly Isley III said: So, we are agreed, they are all at it; rather negates your original point then, no ? Well no. You are comparing apples and oranges. EU rules about private competition in public transport or utilities are in no way comparable to QE policies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: Labour abstentions won't see it passed if Tories rebel. The government need votes not abstentions. I'm basing my view on the assumption that some of the Tories tough talk towards May won't actually turn into votes against her deal. If we're being honest it's all guesswork atm. I admit it could go either way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Well no. You are comparing apples and oranges. EU rules about private competition in public transport or utilities are in no way comparable to QE policies.I'm comparing lemons with lemons - all Governments indulge in rule-bending when it suits them, so let's not call out only those in the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I’ve just had a look at the Twitter feeds of some of Labour’s ‘usual suspects’ and they seem to be clamouring for a second referendum. This seems the polar opposite of allowing May’s proposal to skate. Corbyn’s lack of support for this, and his general lack of leadership on the whole, is the bigger threat IMO. If he screws this up he will risk losing a lot of the grass roots support who have put him where he is. Even Brexiteers like Hoey will be opposed to the proposal due to the NI situation. You could be right. FWIW i spoke with an SNP MP last night who's opinion was that Tories will by and large fall in line and that Labour will be split enough for it to pass. I assume they base this on the feeling on the ground at Westminster. To be honest, who the f**k knows anything anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: 13 minutes ago, Detournement said: Well no. You are comparing apples and oranges. EU rules about private competition in public transport or utilities are in no way comparable to QE policies. I'm comparing lemons with lemons - all Governments indulge in rule-bending when it suits them, so let's not call out only those in the EU. You can't compare QE which has basically had the effect of giving free money to the wealthy and something like nationalising the trains which would remove private profit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Some Brexiteer cabinet members noticeable by their absence at PMQs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I wonder if May will ever answer a question. She ignored Blackfords 2nd point. He will need to be more canny on how they are framed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, capybara said: I wonder if May will ever answer a question. She ignored Blackfords 2nd point. He will need to be more canny on how they are framed. It doesn't really matter though, does it? PMQs has been a marginally less minter of a charade than QT for years. It's for the commentariat to sound off about and nobody else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Dominic Grieve is the perfect example of English Tory spinelessness. He would have been great ordering men to run into machine gun fire in WWI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: Dominic Grieve is the perfect example of English Tory spinelessness. He would have been great ordering men to run into machine gun fire in WWI. Grieve is and always has been a spineless toady - first to the royals, now to his dear leader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Even without reading it and the news last night, I think most of the cabinet will back this and it will get through parliament too. I may well be wrong, but might as well stick it out there before trying to claim credit when/if it does work out for the Tories. SNP, Lib Dem, DUP, ERG Tories, some Labour may well vote against it ; but I have a feeling this deal (whatever it may well be in full) will have enough support from the 'rebels' of the Tory party, and some Labour support, some abstain to see it pass. Let's see how the next few days/hours go. One very joyful thing though has been reading political Twitter is the seethe this causing in Gammonland. Just have a read of any Tweet and the replies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I can understand why Tory Remainers might back it; it is as close to BINO as they could have hoped for. It is the Brexiteers who will face a humiliating climb down if they decide to go along with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, Granny Danger said: I can understand why Tory Remainers might back it; it is as close to BINO as they could have hoped for. It is the Brexiteers who will face a humiliating climb down if they decide to go along with it. I think some people are forgetting it's just a temporary deal for the transition. Both remainers and brexiteers can imagine getting the deal they want at the end, meanwhile trade can go on more or less as normal. I'm hoping it will become increasingly clear during the transition (if the deal passes) that the best option by far is fully staying in the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: 9 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I think some people are forgetting it's just a temporary deal for the transition. Both remainers and brexiteers can imagine getting the deal they want at the end, meanwhile trade can go on more or less as normal. I'm hoping it will become increasingly clear during the transition (if the deal passes) that the best option by far is fully staying in the EU. If it locks in an Irish veto on leaving the customs union and permanently locks NI into the single market then it's more than just temporary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Detournement said: If it locks in an Irish veto on leaving the customs union and permanently locks NI into the single market then it's more than just temporary. The hardcore Brexiteers will think that's unenforceable if we just go for a hard brexit and decline to accept the authority of the European Courts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Predictions for who will resign this afternoon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, zidane's child said: Predictions for who will resign this afternoon? Alex McLeish. (Wishful thinking). 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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