welshbairn Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, Detournement said: http://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-the-public-think-about-immigration/ John Curtice Don't think More Pakis, Less Poles! will go down well in the North of England Brexit towns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 It's impossible to say what would happen under different circumstances but all the main EU members have suffered a fall in wages and increasing inequality.In that case, I am comfortable in accepting as fact, the assumption that a Tory govt led by the likes of May and with utter c***s like Johnson and Mogg pulling strings will make that situation significantly worse once free of various EU laws that hold their agenda back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Don't think More Pakis, Less Poles! will go down well in the North of England Brexit towns. It's not exactly easy for people to come from Pakistan and get jobs and benefits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's impossible to say what would happen under different circumstances but all the main EU members have suffered a fall in wages and increasing inequality. I'd say Poland, Ireland and Spain for starters have done magnificently well out of joining the EU, compared to where they were before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 The future of the economy of both Scotland and the rest of the U.K. is in Corbyn’s hands and I am not confident about his ability to handle it. If Labour came out in favour of a Customs Union and/or second Referendum whilst asking the EU to extend the Article 50 withdrawal date I think there would be enough support in Parliament to get that through. May would be screwed and the Hard Brexiteers even more so. Agreed.Open goal and they'll still manage to score an og. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, Detournement said: I sadly think Luxembourg's corruption will see Jean Claude through his final years in the opulence he is accustomed to. I see Blair's hand in this. He was lobbying the EU last week and probably told them that going hard on May would lead to a second referendum. I think you give Blair far too much influence there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's not exactly easy for people to come from Pakistan and get jobs and benefits. Non EU immigration is higher than EU. We already have control over non EU immigration. https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/ Edited September 21, 2018 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I was also thinking the CEO of a German car maker reminding Juncker his champagne lifestyle might not last forever German car klaxon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: I'd say Poland, Ireland and Spain for starters have done magnificently well out of joining the EU, compared to where they were before. They have done well but they were undeveloped compared to the core members and will eventually stagnate. Ireland only keeps it's head above water because it robs everyone else on tax, Spain has stagnated. Poles have already rejected neoliberalism at the ballot box by electing Law and Justice and will eventually clash with the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Precisely. The impact of a no deal to the EU is spread around 27 nations and mitigated by the fact that they all still have everything they offer by being part of the bloc. They owe us the square root of f**k all. We instigated the vote, we decided to leave. They are duty bound to do nothing except protect the interests of the EU. Perhaps instead of whining, the turkeys who voted for Xmas should open their eyes and see that the level of hardballing we see from the EU currently is one of the compelling reasons why we should have stayed. All the bluster about going it alone and how useless the EU are should be dispelled in the minds of even the staunchest Brexity type, upon viewing the absolute ragdolling we are taking on the world stage, with seemingly little effort required. Literally the only reason remaining to drive us off the cliff without another vote, or to repeat the vote result, is pig headedness at the expense of everything else. Your average Brexiter has been fed 45 years of shit from the right wing press - they'll swallow any shit their told.It's only when the shit really hits the fan that they might take their fucking heads out of the sand.Even that is doubtful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandstand Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Detournement said: They have done well but they were undeveloped compared to the core members and will eventually stagnate. Ireland only keeps it's head above water because it robs everyone else on tax, Spain has stagnated. Poles have already rejected neoliberalism at the ballot box by electing Law and Justice and will eventually clash with the EU. Ireland robs everybody? I assume you believe the entire planet should have the same tax rates? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Detournement is a piss poor troll and I don’t understand why people still respond to him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2018/09/21/theresa-may-negotiates-paying-full-price-for-a-dfs-sofa/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 If the hard border in Ireland is one of the key stumbling blocks, lets move the border to the mainland. This would appear to be the clear preference of the Scottish public as shown in this July poll by panelbase 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandstand Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Detournement is a piss poor troll and I don’t understand why people still respond to him. Was he this bad as HB? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: They have done well but they were undeveloped compared to the core members and will eventually stagnate. Ireland only keeps it's head above water because it robs everyone else on tax, Spain has stagnated. Poles have already rejected neoliberalism at the ballot box by electing Law and Justice and will eventually clash with the EU. Spain and Portugal were hit nearly as badly as Greece by the crash/theft. They have recovered and current growth rates are very healthy. Greece was a total basket case of few people paying taxes but getting earlier retirement than here or Germany, and fiddling the figures to get more handouts from other EU citizens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Don't think More Pakis, Less Poles! will go down well in the North of England Brexit towns. They don't draw any distinction between them. As far as they're concerned they're all immigrants taking our jobs, our benefits and getting whatever they can out of the NHS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Non EU immigration is driven by students that don't leave. Far more National Insurance numbers were issued to EU citizens in 2017 Quote Latest figures for the year ending December 2017 show there were 683,000 NINo registrations overall (a decrease of 17% over the year): 497,000 from EU citizens (down 21% over the year), including 188,000 EU15, 113,000 EU8, and 193,000 EU2 185,000 from non-EU nationals (down 7% over the year). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bandstand said: Ireland robs everybody? I assume you believe the entire planet should have the same tax rates? The EU have actually said they are using illegal tax rates and have ordered them to demand back payments from the US mulitnationals they launder profits for. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-is-the-world-s-biggest-corporate-tax-haven-say-academics Edited September 21, 2018 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 What a load of nonsense. The EU put out their read lines from day one and have proposed a variety of deals from the start while we've put one across (and haven't exactly demonstrated the certainty that we could even legislate this). We've spent two years and the government has achieved nothing apart from giving in to the radicals on their back benches and instantly ruling out EEA and even EFTA due to retarded reasoning (i.e. crap about will of the people). It's not in the EU's interests to compromise the integrity of their single market and doing so is much much more costly long-term than the immediate future, they are an economy 6x the size and do not rely nearly as much on us for import/export. The sensible solution should have instantly been 'Right, it was a close vote and no specific plan was agreed. There is expressed will for leaving the EU and although emotive, this does not extend to EEA with prominent campaigners in the leave campaign highlighting this as an option. For this reason, we will pursue a transition to EEA in the short-term. Long-term, we will develop internal infrastructure to track the flow of goods throughout the UK and work with the devolved administrations to implement this ASAP. This will then give us the option to depart EEA in the future and produce an arrangement which works for the whole of the UK'. The process has been controlled by Tory infighting rather than any 'mean EU' who are just negotiating on behalf of their citizens.The Tory brexiters have truly been the tail wagging the dog. If she had gone for a soft Brexit with EAA/Customs Union then most remainers and non nutty Brexiters would have been happy. Too interested in saving her own skin than the country as a whole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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