Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[dorlomin]

39 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Brexit might set the UK economy back decades 

It wont. 

[harry94]

I get the feeling this is a bit of a 'Thick of It' moment and they had something to announce which was derailed last minute. The delay was very convenient and she did very well to talk for ten minutes without actually saying anything.

[RedRob72]

They are protecting what they see as the integrity of their "4 freedoms". The UK is trying to pick and mix from those, the UK has to chose to either respect them or be out the single market all together. 

Absolutely, so it’s clear, you either stay in on the existing terms or leave without a deal, which is where Teresa May finds herself?
For the EU there’s no exit package, no compensation to temporarily fill the gaping hole left by its 3rd biggest net contributor, a hard border in Ireland and trading arrangements on the exchange of goods that benefits no one. What is the EU suggesting as an alternative to the Chequers plan or are they equally at a loss?
I very much regret the fact that we’re leaving, but as it stands neither side has made any progress in trying to make the transition. It cannot be enough for the EU just to stick their fingers in their ears and scream ‘we’re not listening, it’s all your fault’!!

[Jdog]

May looked like a hostage reading out a kidnappers statement.

[harry94]

14 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:

Absolutely, so it’s clear, you either stay in on the existing terms or leave without a deal, which is where Teresa May finds herself?
For the EU there’s no exit package, no compensation to temporarily fill the gaping hole left by its 3rd biggest net contributor, a hard border in Ireland and trading arrangements on the exchange of goods that benefits no one. What is the EU suggesting as an alternative to the Chequers plan or are they equally at a loss?
I very much regret the fact that we’re leaving, but as it stands neither side has made any progress in trying to make the transition. It cannot be enough for the EU just to stick their fingers in their ears and scream ‘we’re not listening, it’s all your fault’!!

What a load of nonsense. The EU put out their read lines from day one and have proposed a variety of deals from the start while we've put one across (and haven't exactly demonstrated the certainty that we could even legislate this).

We've spent two years and the government has achieved nothing apart from giving in to the radicals on their back benches and instantly ruling out EEA and even EFTA due to retarded reasoning (i.e. crap about will of the people). It's not in the EU's interests to compromise the integrity of their single market and doing so is much much more costly long-term than the immediate future, they are an economy 6x the size and do not rely nearly as much on us for import/export.

The sensible solution should have instantly been 'Right, it was a close vote and no specific plan was agreed. There is expressed will for leaving the EU and although emotive, this does not extend to EEA with prominent campaigners in the leave campaign highlighting this as an option. For this reason, we will pursue a transition to EEA in the short-term. Long-term, we will develop internal infrastructure to track the flow of goods throughout the UK and work with the devolved administrations to implement this ASAP. This will then give us the option to depart EEA in the future and produce an arrangement which works for the whole of the UK'.

The process has been controlled by Tory infighting rather than any 'mean EU' who are just negotiating on behalf of their citizens.

Edited September 21, 2018 by harry94

[Fullerene]

So the EU needs to go away and come up with a proposal that would be acceptable to everyone in her party.
Bit of challenge when even she can't do that herself.

Look forward to her speech to the Tory conference when she gets applause for complaining that the EU found her Chequers plan unacceptable.
Expect Boris Johnson and David Davis to clap the loudest without the slightest touch of irony.

[Fullerene]

4 minutes ago, harry94 said:

What a load of nonsense. The EU put out their read lines from day one and have proposed a variety of deals from day one while we've put one across.

We've spent two years and the government has achieved nothing apart from giving in to the radicals on their back benches and instantly ruling out EEA and even EFTA due to retarded reasoning (i.e. crap about will of the people). It's not in the EU's interests to compromise the integrity of their single market and doing so is much much more costly long-term than the immediate future, they are an economy 6x the size and do not rely nearly as much on us for import/export.

The sensible solution should have instantly been 'Right, it was a close vote and no specific plan was agreed. There is expressed will for leaving the EU and although emotive, this does not extend to EEA with prominent campaigners in the leave campaign highlighting this as an option. For this reason, we will pursue a transition to EEA in the short-term. Long-term, we will develop internal infrastructure to track the flow of goods throughout the UK and work with the devolved administrations to implement this ASAP. This will then give us the option to depart EEA in the future and produce an arrangement which works for the whole of the UK'.

The process has been controlled by Tory infighting rather than any 'mean EU' who are just negotiating on behalf of their citizens.

Radicals?  That almost sounds like a compliment.  I think arseholes reads better.

[Granny Danger]

15 minutes ago, Jdog said:

May looked like a hostage reading out a kidnappers statement.

It was a desperate act from a desperate woman.

May is absolutely fucked and either:

a) knows it but won’t admit it;

b) knows it but genuinely thinks some sort of magical loophole will appear;

c) doesn’t know it.

 I’m not sure which of these three is the most depressing.

 

[AyrExile]

A lot of bluster, nobody blinking and brinkmanship which is to be expected during negotiations.  Many seem to think the game is up. Would expect some sort of fudged deal to appear over the coming weeks. 

[Bandstand]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/21/brexit-chequers-salzburg-ir

 

Utter humiliation for the UK

Edited September 21, 2018 by Bandstand

[williemillersmoustache]

 

33 minutes ago, harry94 said:

What a load of nonsense. The EU put out their read lines from day one and have proposed a variety of deals from the start while we've put one across (and haven't exactly demonstrated the certainty that we could even legislate this).

We've spent two years and the government has achieved nothing apart from giving in to the radicals on their back benches and instantly ruling out EEA and even EFTA due to retarded reasoning (i.e. crap about will of the people). It's not in the EU's interests to compromise the integrity of their single market and doing so is much much more costly long-term than the immediate future, they are an economy 6x the size and do not rely nearly as much on us for import/export.

The sensible solution should have instantly been 'Right, it was a close vote and no specific plan was agreed. There is expressed will for leaving the EU and although emotive, this does not extend to EEA with prominent campaigners in the leave campaign highlighting this as an option. For this reason, we will pursue a transition to EEA in the short-term. Long-term, we will develop internal infrastructure to track the flow of goods throughout the UK and work with the devolved administrations to implement this ASAP. This will then give us the option to depart EEA in the future and produce an arrangement which works for the whole of the UK'.

The process has been controlled by Tory infighting rather than any 'mean EU' who are just negotiating on behalf of their citizens.

 

The EU have been a model of tolerance, respect and understanding. And at every stage have been unstintingly helpful in the UK's quest for impoverishment. They even laid out the choice for just how poor and shitty do we (the UK) want to be:

 

 

[D'Jaffo]

Would expect some sort of fudged deal to appear over the coming weeks. 

Genuinely have no idea what gives you that impression.

[Detournement]

21 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

 

 

The EU have been a model of tolerance, respect and understanding. And at every stage have been unstintingly helpful in the UK's quest for impoverishment. They even laid out the choice for just how poor and shitty do we (the UK) want to be:

 

 

Canada it is then.

If there was any genuine goodwill from the EU27 to the UK they would have been willing to create a new model of relations for the UK's specific circumstances but there clearly isn't.

 

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, harry94 said:

The sensible solution should have instantly been 'Right, it was a close vote and no specific plan was agreed. There is expressed will for leaving the EU and although emotive, this does not extend to EEA with prominent campaigners in the leave campaign highlighting this as an option. For this reason, we will pursue a transition to EEA in the short-term. Long-term, we will develop internal infrastructure to track the flow of goods throughout the UK and work with the devolved administrations to implement this ASAP. This will then give us the option to depart EEA in the future and produce an arrangement which works for the whole of the UK'.

Freedom of movement was the defining issue of the referendum. No UK government can negotiate a deal that includes that.

[git-intae-thum]

3 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Canada it is then.

If there was any genuine goodwill from the EU27 to the UK they would have been willing to create a new model of relations for the UK's specific circumstances but there clearly isn't.

 

Its never been a question of the EU side having to show goodwill. This was always going to be a humbling experience for the Britnats.

[Detournement]

Just now, git-intae-thum said:

Its never been a question of the EU side having to show goodwill. This was always going to be a humbling experience for the Britnats.

Does that not undermine the idea of European solidarity?

 

[ICTJohnboy]

3 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Freedom of movement was the defining issue of the referendum. No UK government can negotiate a deal that includes that.

 

Scotland was generally very happy with freedom of movement and its economy did very well out of it.

[Detournement]

Just now, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Scotland was generally very happy with freedom of movement and its economy did very well out of it.

Do you have regular conversations with Scotland Johnboy?

 

[ICTJohnboy]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

Do you have regular conversations with Scotland Johnboy?

 

 

Yes.

[JamieThomas]

Just now, ICTJohnboy said:

Scotland was generally very happy with freedom of movement and its economy did very well out of it.

Scotland needs to shut the f**k up and do what 61 year old Bill from Barnsley wants tho.

Gr8 work, lads.