Suspect Device Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, doulikefish said: Raab saying the divorce bill wont be paid in the event of a no deal brexit.That will show them foreign types That's a we bit like we were saying in the run up to the indyref. All just bluster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: That's a we bit like we were saying in the run up to the indyref. All just bluster. It's not at all like that, though. We were basically saying if rUK refuse to give us the assets we were due then we can't be expected to take our share of the debt incurred in our name. Raab, etc al, is saying that they will withhold payment for stuff they had already agreed to pay for in the future. Nobody in the EU is denying the UK the assets held by the EU, such as buildings. Thing about this recent petty gamesmanship is that it comes directly after Barnier was setting a conciliatory tone. It just shows that the comments from Raab are meant to appease their own base and not a true reflection of the negotiations. A side note on the Irish border issue. The idea that a country should rely on a neighbour creating currently unavailable tech and implementing it in an impossible time scale is just daft. Pie in the sky, unicorns and pots of gold at the end of the rainbow stuff. If the shoe was on the other foot do you think the government would trust the French to implement a system of which there is no precedent for and failure to do so would leave Britain with a completely open border? Of course they wouldn't. So to expect the EU to do the same is daft. The idea that the CTA can be retained and that no border is needed because there isn't one now is equally daft. That relies on the UK mandating who enters and leave Eire. Would the UK accept that if the roles were reversed? Of course not. It has to be said there are UK customs officers based in Ireland, in France and in Belgium as a way to facilitate travel between EU countries that are not all in Schengen, but when Britain leave the EU those will need to be removed back to UK soil. Either that or a large payment will be made to these countries in order to retain some sort of pre-border control. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 With regards to the Irish border, I can’t understand why they don’t just use the highly sophisticated technology that is presently used between other EU and non-EU countries and virtually eliminates border checks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 With regards to the Irish border, I can’t understand why they don’t just use the highly sophisticated technology that is presently used between other EU and non-EU countries and virtually eliminates border checks. Which countries have that system?I know Switzerland/Norway do but they are in there own deals,eea etc,but i cant remember crossing a border when i havent been checked if they are not in a deal with the Eu 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Which countries have that system?I know Switzerland/Norway do but they are in there own deals,eea etc,but i cant remember crossing a border when i havent been checked if they are not in a deal with the Eu I was being facetious. Thought it was pretty obvious tbh. Sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I was being facetious. Thought it was pretty obvious tbh. Sorry. It was. I think you were wooshed by doulikefish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It was. I think you were wooshed by doulikefish.Nope im travelling today so it actually had me thinking if i had travelled through any country that had the technology 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: All acts like this serve to do is allow the off-reservation normal folks to have yet more evidence that they are hard done to. FTFY, and agree. However... 23 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Its absolutely not those kids fault their father is a monster and they’ll no doubt be getting a tough enough time of being the children of evil incarnate at school. Astounding lack of self-awareness Edited September 13, 2018 by banana 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: I was being facetious. Thought it was pretty obvious tbh. Sorry. Apparently one of the main benefits of leaving the EU and taking back control is that we will be able to outlaw being facetious. We can't do so just now because of some EU directive - or so I was told. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Astounding lack of self-awareness Thing is Banana im not outside someones house shouting in Childrens faces. It’s fine to believe someone has utterly evil policies and I can express this and articulate an argument without resorting to the tactics employed by the anarchist chap at JRM.If think denying abortion rights to victims of rape is not the act of a monster then thats up to you, im quite happy with my point. Please dont feel the need to ‘fix’ any of my posts, when I need the assistance of the forum’s resident fuckwit i’ll be sure to ask for it then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: 3 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: It was. I think you were wooshed by doulikefish. Nope im travelling today so it actually had me thinking if i had travelled through any country that had the technology Vorsprung durch technik? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Fullerene said: Apparently one of the main benefits of leaving the EU and taking back control is that we will be able to outlaw being facetious. We can't do so just now because of some EU directive - or so I was told. ^^^^ being facetious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45519676 Now, what seems like a pretty simple case of Vote Leave breaking the law, if anything this is a massive boost for them. They now have the "get out of jail free" card of saying that ever law or rule they broke can be put into question because the governing body is giving out incorrect information. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 21 hours ago, Granny Danger said: ^^^^ being facetious. Too much facetious being thrown about 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 hours ago, sophia said: Too much facetious being thrown about ^^^^ not a fan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 9 hours ago, Buddist Monk said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45519676 Now, what seems like a pretty simple case of Vote Leave breaking the law, if anything this is a massive boost for them. They now have the "get out of jail free" card of saying that ever law or rule they broke can be put into question because the governing body is giving out incorrect information. The fine for Leave was £61,000 or 5,400,000 Rubles. Chump change to Putin and his pals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 BBC 10 o'clock news going full-on brutal Project Fear propaganda right now with a dozen handwringers on the streets of Birmingham 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Gove just outlined the right's Brexit plan. Push Chequers through then chip away at the bits they don't like in the years after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, Detournement said: Gove just outlined the right's Brexit plan. Push Chequers through then chip away at the bits they don't like in the years after. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Of course, this could be made a lot easier when/if the Tory majority increases at any point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, zidane's child said: That wouldn't surprise me at all. Of course, this could be made a lot easier when/if the Tory majority increases at any point. It’s moot. Nothing close to Chequers will be accepted by the EU. Just a wee bit of honesty in the MSM and we could move this debate on to that reality. I’m getting frustrated by the SNP, they could be setting the agenda here but are worried about the precedent of a second referendum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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