Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Peppino Impastato]

3 minutes ago, The Master said:

Not true. Ping pong can go on for as long as both sides want it to.

Ultimately the Government can let the bill fall before the current session is prorogued, and bring it back in the next session with the intention of using the Parliament Acts. 

Not what they taught me in university.  I'm pretty sure it's three times.

[The Master]

7 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Not what they taught me in university.  I'm pretty sure it's three times.

The Parliament Act 1911 meant the Lords could only "reject" the same Bill three times before the Commons could force it through. That was amended by the Parliament Act 1949 to reduce it to two. 

But "reject" in this sense is a failure to agree before the session ends. The two houses can make as many attempts to agree as they want (so-called ping-pong). 

Edited July 17, 2018 by The Master

[Peppino Impastato]

1 minute ago, The Master said:

The Parliament Act 1911 meant the Lords couldn't only "reject" the same Bill three times before the Commons could force it through. That was amended by the Parliament Act 1949 to reduce it to two. 

But "reject" in this sense is a failure to agree before the session ends. The two houses can make as many attempts to agree as they want (so-called ping-pong). 

Interesting.  I'll take your word for it.

[John Lambies Doos]

The Lords can overturn Commons amendments by themselves amending the Bill to remove the amendments. It's then up to the Commons to decide whether or not to agree.
When the Bill arrives back in The Commons it will have the exact wording the Lords want it to have as an Act, along with an accompanying document with explanatory notes as to the amendments made.  Nothing will be "suggested"; anything the Lords agree to amongst themselves will stand part of the Bill at the point it is sent back.

As I wrote above. The Lords can't overturn anything, they can amend and return. Commons makes the rules..

[The Master]

1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said:

25 minutes ago, The Master said:

The Lords can overturn Commons amendments by themselves amending the Bill to remove the amendments. It's then up to the Commons to decide whether or not to agree.
When the Bill arrives back in The Commons it will have the exact wording the Lords want it to have as an Act, along with an accompanying document with explanatory notes as to the amendments made.  Nothing will be "suggested"; anything the Lords agree to amongst themselves will stand part of the Bill at the point it is sent back.

As I wrote above. The Lords can't overturn anything, they can amend and return. Commons makes the rules..

If the clauses added last night no longer stand as part of the Bill when it returns to the Commons, the Lords have overturned them. 

The commons can subsequently reverse that, but then need to send it back to the Lords for them to agree. And so begins the ping-pong.

[John Lambies Doos]

If the clauses added last night no longer stand as part of the Bill when it returns to the Commons, the Lords have overturned them. 
The commons can subsequently reverse that, but then need to send it back to the Lords for them to agree. And so begins the ping-pong.

Perhaps we are disagreeing on the language used. I also believe that last nights custom bill was 3rd reading therefore Lords will merely have to accept and move for Royal approval. In other words they won't be overturning anything here; May has shat the bed.

[The Master]

1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said:

4 minutes ago, The Master said:

If the clauses added last night no longer stand as part of the Bill when it returns to the Commons, the Lords have overturned them. 
The commons can subsequently reverse that, but then need to send it back to the Lords for them to agree. And so begins the ping-pong.

Perhaps we are disagreeing on the language used. I also believe that last nights custom bill was 3rd reading therefore Lords will merely have to accept and move for Royal approval. In other words they won't be overturning anything here; May has shat the bed.

It's only passed its Commons stages.

It's not even had First Reading in the Lords. 

[NotThePars]

That’s the Lib Dem’s spent the past 3 years moaning about being judged on their betrayal over tuition fees only for the two biggest hitters in the party to ignore a vote on the one issue they’ve campaigned on since 2016.

[The Master]

1 minute ago, NotThePars said:

That’s the Lib Dem’s spent the past 3 years moaning about being judged on their betrayal over tuition fees only for the two biggest hitters in the party to ignore a vote on the one issue they’ve campaigned on since 2016.

They're trying to blame Labour this morning, saying that they changed their mind at the last minute to oppose rather than abstain making the vote much closer than it would have been.

Genuinely not sure who to believe tbh. 

[John Lambies Doos]

It's only passed its Commons stages.
It's not even had First Reading in the Lords. 

This is the same bill that's been pinging back and forward for the last 2weeks is it not ie the Customs bill? This was to be done and dusted pre summer recess

[The Master]

4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

16 minutes ago, The Master said:

It's only passed its Commons stages.
It's not even had First Reading in the Lords. 

This is the same bill that's been pinging back and forward for the last 2weeks is it not ie the Customs bill? This was to be done and dusted pre summer recess

This is the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill.

https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2017-19/taxationcrossbordertrade.html

 

[John Lambies Doos]

This is the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill.
https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2017-19/taxationcrossbordertrade.html
 

Fair enough, then your point stands(too many bills); it will probably be amended by Lords and sent back. However Lords has no power to overturn legislation hence my original point

[NotThePars]

17 minutes ago, The Master said:

They're trying to blame Labour this morning, saying that they changed their mind at the last minute to oppose rather than abstain making the vote much closer than it would have been.

Genuinely not sure who to believe tbh. 

 

Politics in Westminster is a good percentage optics and you would at least expect Vince Cable to realise that they should be opposing every Brexit vote to appeal to the rabid FPBE lot who hold Corbyn singularly responsible for Brexit. Some of them have been going wild on Twitter about the Libs this morning. Would expect the Greens, SNP and Plaid to be picking up some new members.

[The Master]

4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

8 minutes ago, The Master said:

This is the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill.
https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2017-19/taxationcrossbordertrade.html
 

Fair enough, then your point stands(too many bills); it will probably be amended by Lords and sent back. However Lords has no power to overturn legislation hence my original point

I didn't say they would overturn legislation. I said they would (could) overturn the amendments (which would then have to be either approved or undone by the Commons). 

[John Lambies Doos]

Lib Dems as insignificant as they have ever been

[Granny Danger]

Apparently Farron missed the vote as he was participating in a lecture on how homosexuality is incompatible with Christianity.

He is a despicable c**t on so many levels.

 

[doulikefish]

Blue on Blue continues today its fantastic if it wasnt so important

[Have some faith in Magic]

I would suggest not even bothering your arse to vote on your parties single biggest policy is incompatible with being an MP. 

 

[doulikefish]

Its all the fault of the Eu semingly

[Mark Connolly]

Dorries on Daily Politics claiming it's not in-fighting, it's debate.

She also said that the ERG weren't holding the Government to ransom, minutes after pointing out that there were 60 of them and they have the numbers to make an impact.