Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Another point and laugh moment for the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 The ERG loons have rallied and are adamant they won't vote for this. That leaves May relying on the Blairite Labour MPs to get this through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 RT if you want this legend to come back and sort out Brexit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkthebigclub Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Turmoils coming home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Clusterfarce. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Step forward Dominic Raab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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harry94 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Apparently SNP, Labour and Lib Dems have all been briefed by Downing Street. If May can convince 50%+1 of Tory MPs to back a soft Brexit plan (which she will feel she can), her position as leader is secure for 12 months which would let her hunt votes cross-party. Reverting to EFTA & EEA seems the only way that Brexit can really be done in the short term while they work on a long-term plan and I think she would win support across parliament for it. It'd actually cause a lot of disruption to the independence movement if the debate was argued on the basis of the UK being out of these. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshire_nomad Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Scenes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Apparently SNP, Labour and Lib Dems have all been briefed by Downing Street. If May can convince 50%+1 of Tory MPs to back a soft Brexit plan (which she will feel she can), her position as leader is secure for 12 months which would let her hunt votes cross-party. Reverting to EFTA & EEA seems the only way that Brexit can really be done in the short term while they work on a long-term plan and I think she would win support across parliament for it. It'd actually cause a lot of disruption to the independence movement if the debate was argued on the basis of the UK being out of these.Nonsense if she does that Rees Mogg will bring her down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackie The Staggie Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Wait....the same Dominic Raab who suggested that immigration was the cause of rising house prices. When pushed to provide the evidence for such a claim, he produced a document based on an out of date model which was never meant to used for that kind of analysis. That Dominic Raab? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/13/housing-minister-dominic-raab-defends-claim-of-immigration-pushing-up-house-prices 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, harry94 said: Apparently SNP, Labour and Lib Dems have all been briefed by Downing Street. If May can convince 50%+1 of Tory MPs to back a soft Brexit plan (which she will feel she can), her position as leader is secure for 12 months which would let her hunt votes cross-party. Reverting to EFTA & EEA seems the only way that Brexit can really be done in the short term while they work on a long-term plan and I think she would win support across parliament for it. It'd actually cause a lot of disruption to the independence movement if the debate was argued on the basis of the UK being out of these. Why would the SNP support a party that is trying to shut down the Scottish Parliament. She would have to offer to cancel the power grab and to give the SP the right to call a referendum. Never trust a Tory. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Daily Politics is some laugh right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Step forward Dominic RaabWorkhouses for the poor Raab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Nonsense if she does that Rees Mogg will bring her down. Rees Mogg cannot bring May down. There are two distinct things he can do. He possibly has enough support to force a leadership election; if he does and it's a two horse race May will win. He can oppose the issue in Parliament, though I am not sure exactly how and when Parliament votes on this next. If he does that successfully it would probably lead to a GE, but the arithmetic is unclear. If there was a chance to force an election I imagine all the opposition parties other than the DUP would be on one side. There is a possibility that Brexiteer Labour MP's might side with May but if they passed up the chance of bringing down the government then they would surely be finished. Whilst the hard line Brexiteers in the Tory Party have been the most vocal I reckon they are still very much in the minority. Most Tories want a) the appearance of Brexit; b) minimum flak in both political and economic terms; and c) to avoid a GE. Of course the response from the EU to may's proposal may render all discussion superfluous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Rees Mogg cannot bring May down. There are two distinct things he can do. He possibly has enough support to force a leadership election; if he does and it's a two horse race May will win. He can oppose the issue in Parliament, though I am not sure exactly how and when Parliament votes on this next. If he does that successfully it would probably lead to a GE, but the arithmetic is unclear. If there was a chance to force an election I imagine all the opposition parties other than the DUP would be on one side. There is a possibility that Brexiteer Labour MP's might side with May but if they passed up the chance of bringing down the government then they would surely be finished. Whilst the hard line Brexiteers in the Tory Party have been the most vocal I reckon they are still very much in the minority. Most Tories want a) the appearance of Brexit; b) minimum flak in both political and economic terms; and c) to avoid a GE. Of course the response from the EU to may's proposal may render all discussion superfluous. Of course he can GD. Him and his 60extreme colleagues just stop voting with government. Gov have no majority even with the DUP. They collapse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Heard a Tory backbencher on 5Live describing the reasons for Davies going, and saying that May's plan does not appeal to the Tory "eurosceptics" Its still amazing to hear this word being used, given that scepticism is based in doubt, rather than a total hatred of everything EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: Nonsense if she does that Rees Mogg will bring her down. But how? There needs to be a majority of Conservative MPs to vote against her in the confidence motion if the vote is triggered. A majority of the parliamentary party despise Rees-Mogg. 1 hour ago, dirty dingus said: Why would the SNP support a party that is trying to shut down the Scottish Parliament. She would have to offer to cancel the power grab and to give the SP the right to call a referendum. Never trust a Tory. There's no way on hell the SNP would reject an offer as good as EEA. Reject that and they then share the responsibility for the job losses and the damaged economy that then occurs. Also simplifies a fair bit down the line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Of course he can GD. Him and his 60extreme colleagues just stop voting with government. Gov have no majority even with the DUP. They collapse They'd never ever vote against a confidence motion of the government itself, that'd be batshit crazy even by their standards. They'd be held responsible for an election which could put Corbyn in power. The only way the government collapses before the general election is voluntarily (which is unlikely after the last debacle) or by-election defeats. It's just not happening. May might go and there may be multiple PMs but the Conservative government will stay in power in one form or another. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Jeremy Corbyn isn't going to be winning any elections. 2017 was his high watermark, and his narrative on Brexit since then will continue to turn off remainers in droves. If May did go (and I don't think she will) then the Tories could pick pretty much anyone they liked without worrying about a challenge from a Corbyn-led Labour party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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