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Should Scotland & other countries boycott UEFA events over Champions League plans?


Davie Bhoy

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2 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

So 18 of 32 places will be taken by 'Big 4' and CL & EL title holders.

Country performance will no longer contribute to club coefficients. Undefined "historic success" will now contribute to club coefficients.

Clubs with bigger coefficients will receive more money.

It's a capitulation.

This has been one that big clubs have been lobbying for for over a decade. Basically, they want a wild card entry where a team that's normally in the CL has a shite season so that their income doesn't take a massive dent and hurt them at home. It's laughable stuff but again, 2016 isn't the year that the CL suddenly became a construct aimed at supporting and enriching the big clubs - it's just another step along a predictable path.

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They aren't giving them wildcard entry - they appear to have held out on that and weekend matches... but boosting coefficients based on "previous titles" gives an unfair aid to the top clubs and countries coefficients.

Giving extra money to clubs based on coefficients is also unfair - particularly given that boost.

Current system is fair as its based on actual results over 5yrs, and of course the act of doing well - including winning titles - is rewarded by points for wins, draws and QF>SF>Final bonuses.

Coupled with 50%+ of groupstage slots it may well become "self-perpetuating", which is presumably the idea. If you won something in the past you get a coefficient boost, which helps keep you seeded, which helps you win ties, which accrues you more points, which helps your seeding and protects your place in the country ranking. If you have a high coefficient you get more ££ which through recruitment also helps you win ties. Repeat ad nauseam.

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Screenshot from UEFA meeting has emerged.

Leagues 5-6 (France & Portugal) will receive 2 automatic group slots each and leagues 7-10 will receive 1 each.

There will be 2 slots for runners-up/etc. from those leagues.

Leaving just 4 slots for winners of leagues ranked 11 down. Currently there are 5 slots for winners of leagues ranked 13 down.


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On ‎16‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 15:09, sjc said:

The sooner a European or World Super League happens, the better as far as I'm concerned. Not that I'd really be that interested in watching it. Hopefully they'll take Celtic and Rangers with them.

There's not a chance of Celtic and Rangers being included in that sort of set up. Unfortunately. Although even if it happened we would more than likely get their B teams foisted on us "for the greater good of Scottish football".

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On ‎16‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 16:20, Ross. said:

Yeah, the "International Champions Cup" or whatever it was called is definitely a flyer for what will follow at some point. The problem I see at the moment though is that while it is obviously attractive to casual football fans or guys who support European clubs in the US and in China, it really doesn't appear to have great demand amongst the domestic fanbase of the clubs involved, with Celtic's trips to Ireland being the only matches that carried any significant away support in the traditional sense.

If they push it too quickly there is a chance it will alienate fans. I think it will definitely happen at some point though.

With the amount of TV money that would be involved they don't really need fans, alienated or otherwise.

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Hate the whole club co-effcient or historical merit rubbish. Keep nation co-effiecient as they are and if your league has 4 teams ranked them based on their domestic league position the previous season. Would actually mean finishing 2nd over third has real meaning and consequence. 

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9 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Screenshot from UEFA meeting has emerged.

Leagues 5-6 (France & Portugal) will receive 2 automatic group slots each and leagues 7-10 will receive 1 each.

There will be 2 slots for runners-up/etc. from those leagues.

Leaving just 4 slots for winners of leagues ranked 11 down. Currently there are 5 slots for winners of leagues ranked 13 down.


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In reality, the Champions League title holder spot is rarely going to be used, and the Europa League one won't always be.  Interesting to see whether those spots are redistributed to the Champions path or not.

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Well just as it says on the title. I know that just now the proposals are that the big 4 countries will be guarantee 4 places for the CL. The current set-up already frustrates & annoys a lot of people because of how many clubs they get into the tournament, and also how easy it is for their clubs not guaranteed a group place to get into it, while Champions of other countries have to play several qualifiers.

The new proposals go even further and go some way to pushing clubs from smaller countries out the picture. So what can be done about it?

Well what if the FA's of places like Scotland, Portugal, Wales, N.I, Sweden, Holland, Portugal, Rep of Ireland, Norway, Denmark, Croatia, Russia, Ukraine etc all got together & put their own pressure on UEFA to tell them that if these proposals go ahead then they will boycott any Euro Championship's & club competitions? Surely FIFA would then have to stop pandering to the big countries.

Opinions on this or what else can be done in your view?


The only reason any old firm fan is angry about this is because they ain't big enough to be included. If Celtic were included do you think you'd be complaining and worrying about the impact on smaller clubs? No chance!!
Did you give a second thought to smaller clubs left behind when you drove the SPL or tried to leave and get to England?
Karma is a bitch!
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4 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:


The only reason any old firm fan is angry about this is because they ain't big enough to be included. If Celtic were included do you think you'd be complaining and worrying about the impact on smaller clubs? No chance!!
Did you give a second thought to smaller clubs left behind when you drove the SPL or tried to leave and get to England?
Karma is a bitch!

Precisely this. 

Were Celtic deemed big enough to be a part of this farce, doubtless Davie would be on here helpfully informing the "diddies"  that it's all our own fault for letting day-trippers take up cup final tickets that could have gone to Celtic fans or something. 

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The only reason any old firm fan is angry about this is because they ain't big enough to be included. If Celtic were included do you think you'd be complaining and worrying about the impact on smaller clubs? No chance!!
Did you give a second thought to smaller clubs left behind when you drove the SPL or tried to leave and get to England?
Karma is a bitch!


Our club size isn't the issue. It's the country size & wealth. We don't provide a big enough TV audience. It's a two pronged problem...although we are a big club, the crumbs from Scottish football doesn't help us to fight with other big clubs in Europe.

As for thinking of other clubs, well personally yes I do. I've constantly been in favour of a 16 team league & I'm probably about 70/30 in favour of playing in Scotland as opposed to England. However it is a bit rich given most fans of smaller clubs do nothing but greet about Celtic (& Them), & say it'd be better without them, yet greet excessively when there is any talk of them leaving Scottish football.


Precisely this. 

Were Celtic deemed big enough to be a part of this farce, doubtless Davie would be on here helpfully informing the "diddies"  that it's all our own fault for letting day-trippers take up cup final tickets that could have gone to Celtic fans or something. 



Well it's a valid point but don't worry....you continue to fight tooth & nail so that people who only use your club for a day out, once in a blue moon, & who prevent you from growing as a club, can get a ticket.
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5 hours ago, Davie Bhoy said:

Well it's a valid point but don't worry....you continue to fight tooth & nail so that people who only use your club for a day out, once in a blue moon, & who prevent you from growing as a club, can get a ticket.

 

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Fucking hell. Yes, in order to "grow as clubs" we should hand over half our cup final allocations to Celtic so embittered losers such as yourself don't miss out on tickets. 

 

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I can believe he still peddles this line. 

How can anyone genuinely believe that turning away fans is the best way to grow a club? 

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I can believe he still peddles this line. 

How can anyone genuinely believe that turning away fans is the best way to grow a club? 



Because pandering to them & rewarding people who don't give two shits about your club, clearly hasn't worked has it.
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Because pandering to them & rewarding people who don't give two shits about your club, clearly hasn't worked has it.


Our attendances are up since our Cup Final, so yeah, it does work.
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Be interesting to hear from Davie Bhoy how many tickets Celtic should have got by his reasoning for the 1995 Scottish Cup Final given his Club was on its arse and attendances were averaging 16,000.....

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