Falcor Roar Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Bully Di Villa said: Is it possible for us to get in Group D? That's the group we should be targeting imo. Could just play Mubtumbo up front, that should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 54 minutes ago, forameus said: Will it not just be that both "competitions" will be drawn based on the UEFA coefficients, rather than one being responsible for the other? They're a lot harder to shift in than the World Rankings, so imagine we'll probably be around the 3rd pot for the time being, 4th if we have a nightmare qualifying campaign in the next couple of years, maybe 2nd if we have a great one. Agree that they can't really know now. Earliest they would draw it I imagine is after the conclusion of the 2018 qualifying campaign. Any earlier would be pointless as teams could drift based on the competitive games they still have. It'll be between December 2017 and Summer 2018, and given there's only one international window in that, it doesn't really matter when it gets drawn. But it certainly won't be any time soon. My reading of it is that the first Nations League and the Euro 2020 qualifiers will be seeded based on the UEFA coefficients, but from then on everything will follow on automatically. The second Nations League will have teams in divisions based on promotion/relegation from the first Nations League, and the Euro 2024 qualifiers would be based on Nations League placings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, craigkillie said: My reading of it is that the first Nations League and the Euro 2020 qualifiers will be seeded based on the UEFA coefficients, but from then on everything will follow on automatically. The second Nations League will have teams in divisions based on promotion/relegation from the first Nations League, and the Euro 2024 qualifiers would be based on Nations League placings. My mistake, I knew that the following Nations Leagues would be based on promotion/relegation, but didn't think that the qualifiers were based on them. Interesting if so, especially interesting to see how balanced the pots ended up being in that case. Can't work out whether it would be open to crazy things happening, or whether pitting teams against those "around their level" would make for a better system than the current coefficients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 There's nothing to suggest that teams will or can be shuttled around the divisions; it was already excellently illustrated by HJ elsewhere, and is fairly straightforward. Based on the competition theoretically being played in autumn of 2014, Holland would have qualified for 2016 as the only top-twelve side not through from the groups. Some groups in the Div Three, will have had more teams qualify than Div Two groups, given the absence of Denmark, Serbia, Greece and Bosnia. For this alone, i believe the competition to be a very worthwhile experiment. It is also a fairer, easier to understand model for qualification seedings (even if only utilised with Uefa) than the current format, which had Greece continuing as a top seed in each campaign since Euro 2008, just because they were holders....the subsequently easier groups thus made qualifying for 2010, 12 and 14 much easier for a team which offered us absolutely f**k all, who nowadays, in between, would now have to face much sterner opposition, drop down the rank quicker, and find themselves replaced by better teams before too much damage is done. What should be of a small possible consequence, but entirely possible, is that a team from division three could be up against a team in both the League and the qualifying group (think Wales, Iceland or Norn Iron...) where it could ve beneficial for a Finland, Latvia or Israel to lose to the above in qualification, if they played as they went on to do so, so as to get first dibs on their playoff spot in the spring before the Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erskjne Bridge Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Where is Euro 2020 anyway? Nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Erskjne Bridge said: Nowhere Everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 The ideal scenario is that come draw time, we're ranked 25/26/27/28th, meaning we'd be a top seed in League C, so we need to move up the UEFA rankings a few places. I can't see us going into League B unless we skoosh WC Qualifying, which we wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Euro2020 is all over the shop as to basically stop England hosting it all. They are hated so bad across Europe due to the money the prem rakes in. I actually find it appalling they have not been given a wc or another euros with the infrastructure and stadia they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worktheshaft Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 hour ago, kenny131 said: Euro2020 is all over the shop as to basically stop England hosting it all. They are hated so bad across Europe due to the money the prem rakes in. I actually find it appalling they have not been given a wc or another euros with the infrastructure and stadia they have Part of me agrees with that but the other laughs that they haven't hosted anything since 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grazza Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 52 minutes ago, kenny131 said: Euro2020 is all over the shop as to basically stop England hosting it all. They are hated so bad across Europe due to the money the prem rakes in. I actually find it appalling they have not been given a wc or another euros with the infrastructure and stadia they have I don't think they have made a bid to host a Euros since 1996. Wembley is hosting the semi's and final in 2020. Spain have not held a Euros since 1962 and world cup in 82 will be over 40 years without a major tournament by time of 2024 and beyond. United Germany never hosted a Euros. Turkey I would have expected to be in with a chance though recent unrest there may make it less likely. If 2020 is very successful commercially then would be hard to see. World cup wise they are probably due a turn now that France, Italy, Germany and Spain have held a world cup more recently. Now that Russia will be hosting probably no new places that could hold world cup in next decade or 2. Though don't countries basically need to adapt laws for tournament so FIFA keep all the money they make. Will be 2030 for Europe's next turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Euro2020 is all over the shop as to basically stop England hosting it all. They are hated so bad across Europe due to the money the prem rakes in. I actually find it appalling they have not been given a wc or another euros with the infrastructure and stadia they have What? England are hosting the semis and the final. No other country is hosting more. It's doubtful that England would've bothered bidding for a traditional one country tournament. You'd have to be off your head to see it as an anti-English conspiracy when they're hosting all the major games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Australia should be getting a WC before any European nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 4 hours ago, kenny131 said: Euro2020 is all over the shop as to basically stop England hosting it all. They are hated so bad across Europe due to the money the prem rakes in. I actually find it appalling they have not been given a wc or another euros with the infrastructure and stadia they have England showed absolutely no interest in bidding for Euro 2020. Turkey was the only serious contender, despite UEFA actively seeking out other bidders. They had a lot of concerns about hosting it in Turkey (a very wise decision as it transpired), which is why they came up with this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 15 hours ago, kenny131 said: Euro2020 is all over the shop as to basically stop England hosting it all. They are hated so bad across Europe due to the money the prem rakes in. I actually find it appalling they have not been given a wc or another euros with the infrastructure and stadia they have A new low, and for you, that's saying something. Like others have rightly said, England didn't bid. Turkey were the unopposed party, but given they got the Olympics, UEFA were reluctant to give them both. So they came up with the whole of Europe idea. And clearly they hated England so damn much that they decided to give them the most important games just to spite them. Poor England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggisbeastie Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 England showed absolutely no interest in bidding for Euro 2020. Turkey was the only serious contender, despite UEFA actively seeking out other bidders. They had a lot of concerns about hosting it in Turkey (a very wise decision as it transpired), which is why they came up with this idea. England not bidding for Euro 2020 may have something to do with their expectation they were getting the 2018 World Cup.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggisbeastie Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Or 2022 World Cup.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Well, no. The World Cup 18/22 hosts were both announced in 2010 whereas UEFA didn't invite any bids for Euro 2016 until 2012.England just didn't bid for Euro 2020 in its original format and it's laughable to suggest that the decision to host the three biggest games there is some sort of snub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 http://www.football-rankings.info/2016/11/uefa-nations-league-update-18-november.html As things stand that's the leagues. UEFA published an article explaining it but don't think there's anything different to what Craig or HJ said earlier in the thread. http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2079553.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Fucking Lithuania again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said: Fucking Lithuania again! We'd avoid them if it was drawn today as they are in our pot. It's 1 team from each of the pots within league C we'd get (or possibly none from pot 4 since there's 3 teams in that pot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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