BerwickMad Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Dont see a split happening. The plp plotting against corbyn and briefing against him in the media are far too comfortable in their jobs. They are more interested in safe seats and salaries than any political principles. They would happily wear tory rosettes if there were enough tory safe seats to be parachuted into. In many cases those mps were picked by central office and the local clp were either compliant apathetic or simply too low on numbers to debate if that was the right candidate for the area. Corbyn doesn't have a monopoly on principles. You can believe in something on the left without slavishly defending him at every turn. Many of those against him are far from Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 2 hours ago, BerwickMad said: Corbyn doesn't have a monopoly on principles. You can believe in something on the left without slavishly defending him at every turn. Many of those against him are far from Tory. All of those against him are far from the left I'd say. Thanks ENTIRELY to the self serving troughing MPs who seem to do little other than attack Corbyn, the Tories seem to be in Government with no end in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 All of those against him are far from the left I'd say. What you say and what is reality never really match up in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: What you say and what is reality never really match up in all honesty. And it's those sorts of responses that sees Labour in the fucking mess they're in now. I love how the anti-Corbyn mob refuse to take any responsibility at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 All of those against him are far from the left I'd say. His main challenger is Owen Smith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 20 hours ago, jmothecat said: I'm not one to defend Tom Watson, but is he supposed to just not say anything critical of Corbyn? Everyone in the party knows that Trot entryism is in full force, it's hardly a revaluation. Far more revealing that Corbyn's people instantly respond in a completely over the top way to a mild and accurate criticism. It's not accurate at all. Kinnock's chief anti-Militant purger has exonerated Momentum, and he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 GMB union nominate Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 GMB are backing Owen Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 It's not accurate at all. Kinnock's chief anti-Militant purger has exonerated Momentum, and he's right. There is definitely Trot entryism going on. They've been turning up at CLP meetings over the past year as if from nowhere and shortly after the resignations were proposing extreme motions arguing for deselections of moderate MPs. The one at ours had only joined the party six weeks previously and nobody had a clue who he was. This appears to have been going on in a few CLPs. I've no idea if it's organised or if the numbers are big, but it's definitely happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 GMB union nominate Smith. I think that makes three to back Smith. Community and my own Union USDAW are backing him too. Edit: apparently the musicians Union are supporting Smith too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I think that makes three to back Smith. Community and my own Union USDAW are backing him too.Edit: apparently the musicians Union are supporting Smith too. Apparently some of the unions supporting Corbyn/Momentum didn't even ballot their members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 59 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: Apparently some of the unions supporting Corbyn/Momentum didn't even ballot their members. Supporting Corbyn/Momentum? Are they running jointly for the Labour leadership? Have any of the unions who supported Corbyn last time now supporting Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 It's hardly surprising. The GMB has always been considered more right than centre. They would have backed McTernan over Corbyn if that had been the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 2 hours ago, jmothecat said: apparently the musicians Union are supporting Smith too. They will be supporting him by whipping out the violins when he fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 It's hardly surprising. The GMB has always been considered more right than centre. They would have backed McTernan over Corbyn if that had been the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 1 minute ago, jmothecat said: Perhaps educate yourself.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMB_(trade_union) GMB originates from a series of mergers, beginning when the National Amalgamated Union of Labour (NAUL), National Union of General Workers (NUGW) and the Municipal Employees Association in 1924 joined into a new union, named the National Union of General and Municipal Workers (NUGMW). Although the new union was one of the largest in the country, it grew relatively slowly over the following decades, perhaps due to its image as being on the right wing of the labour movement. This changed in the 1970s, when David Basnett created new sections for staff, and hotel and catering workers, and changed the union's name to the General and Municipal Workers' Union (GMWU) in 1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Perhaps educate yourself.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMB_(trade_union)GMB originates from a series of mergers, beginning when the National Amalgamated Union of Labour (NAUL), National Union of General Workers (NUGW) and the Municipal Employees Association in 1924 joined into a new union, named the National Union of General and Municipal Workers (NUGMW). Although the new union was one of the largest in the country, it grew relatively slowly over the following decades, perhaps due to its image as being on the right wing of the labour movement. This changed in the 1970s, when David Basnett created new sections for staff, and hotel and catering workers, and changed the union's name to the General and Municipal Workers' Union (GMWU) in 1974 Being considered, 40 years ago to be on the right of the Labour movement does not make it a right wing Union. Its own general secretary is a Corbyn supporter.A Labour affiliated trade union polled its members and Smith won by an absolute landslide. Gives a pretty damning message to what working people think Corbyn can do for them.I know this is difficult for you to grasp, but the right of the Labour movement isn't right-wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Just now, jmothecat said: Being considered, 40 years ago to be on the right of the Labour movement does not make it a right wing Union. Its own general secretary is a Corbyn supporter. A Labour affiliated trade union polled its members and Smith won by an absolute landslide. Gives a pretty damning message to what working people think Corbyn can do for them. I know this is difficult for you to grasp, but the right of the Labour movement isn't right-wing. Most of their members are Conservative and UKIP voters. That's because this particular Union allows anybody to join, regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum. You can be hard-right and support Britain First and they would still allow you to join. Not really a union that regular decent working class people would want to be associated with like you claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Nice to know that a Blairite suddenly cares what the Unions think. Maybe there's hope for JMO yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cream Cheese said: That's because this particular Union allows anybody to join, regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum. Do Unite and Unison not have right-wing members who vote Tory or UKIP, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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