Next UK Labour Leader - post Brexit

[BerwickMad]

And if enough people believe in his overall vision of Britain,guess what may happen.It will definitely not happen when his own party are trying to sabotage this.

They don't, which is the whole point.

[jakedee]

Ooooo

[Fide]

Seems like LabourEoin's quite chuffed

1. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 48m48 minutes ago Roma, Lazio
2. It would be an act of cowardice for Labour Plotters to abort their coup. They've had their say loudly. Time to let democracy have its say.

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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. Labour NEC has no authority to automatically appeal the Court Decision. That needs to go back to a full vote at Labour NEC meeting

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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. Labour NEC should •Accept court ruling •Lift ban on 130,000 attending meetings •Lift ban on 130,000 voting •Refund double payees £25

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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. 130,000 Labour members who are banned by the Machine from participating in CLP Nomination Meetings should now have that ban lifted.

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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. Labour Members who were barred from voting and subsequently paid the £25 Democracy Tax should be given a refund and an apology.

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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. UK Labour Movement will now foot the legal cost of our Machine trying to deny 130,000 members a vote. Apparatchiks positions are untenable.
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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. Quite how our Labour Family ever allowed ourselves to be so silenced & bullied by Machine Plotting Apparatchiks is a mystery. Never again.

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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. Labour Plotters have now faced 2 courts & Speaker's Office. On all 3 occasions the result is the same. The Labour family achieves justice.
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  2. Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 2h2 hours ago Roma, Lazio
  3. Boom. The Judge could not be clearer. Labour's NEC has NO POWER to blanket ban 130000 of its own members from voting in Leadership Election

[Cream Cheese]

6 minutes ago, BerwickMad said:

These kinds of failings, mishaps and blunders are the kinds of things all politicians are scrutinised and criticised for. I find it utterly pathetic that simply because people believe in his overall vision of Britain, they're happy to see them swept under the carpet. A 'nothing to see here' attitude.

What "blunders"? You're perceiving things as being blunders when they're not. The blunder was the Conservative Party having an EU referendum. But instead of attacking the Conservatives on this, they attack their own leader for not swooping in and saving the day. It wasn't his referendum to win. He wasn't the one who triggered the referendum in the first place.

As for some of the other things you read in the newspapers. Try reading between the lines. Facts get twisted and lies are told, anything to show Corbyn in a bad light. It only takes a little brain engagement to see the situation for what it really is, not the illusion that is being created by the MSM.

[Cream Cheese]

3 minutes ago, jmothecat said:

Corbyn knows that he is destroying the party and should step down in the interest of unity. His refusal to do so is despicable. As soon as he lost that no confidence vote he should have done the decent thing.

Politicians step down to prevent the embarrassment of defeat. Corbyn doesn't have that to worry about. So he doesn't need to step down. Dry your eyes.

[Ira Gaines]

These kinds of failings, mishaps and blunders are the kinds of things all politicians are scrutinised and criticised for. I find it utterly pathetic that simply because people believe in his overall vision of Britain, they're happy to see them swept under the carpet. A 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Here's what I see. I see people who follow the Labour party like a football team. Win at all costs. Except they're losing. And the longer this goes and the worse they act, the deeper their hole gets.

The Tories stranglehold will continue to get stronger as the Labour party leader that people actively went out of their way to support gets shafted by folk who, let's face it, don't even deserve to be a part of it. They have a job and are ignoring it to continue to try and drive their own disgusting agenda.

There's definitely sweeping under the carpet. You're the one doing it. Keep playing the victim act though. Definitely believing it.

[Cream Cheese]

3 minutes ago, BerwickMad said:

They don't, which is the whole point.

The whole point is that you try and convince the majority of the electorate to your ideas. That's how a democracy works. You want to create a situation where all the major parties are chasing the electorate based on their current thoughts, rather than trying to change those thoughts. You end up with a situation where all political parties are offering exactly the same thing. That's not democracy.

[BerwickMad]

Here's what I see. I see people who follow the Labour party like a football team. Win at all costs. Except they're losing. And the longer this goes and the worse they act, the deeper their hole gets.

The Tories stranglehold will continue to get stronger as the Labour party leader that people actively went out of their way to support gets shafted by folk who, let's face it, don't even deserve to be a part of it. They have a job and are ignoring it to continue to try and drive their own disgusting agenda.

There's definitely sweeping under the carpet. You're the one doing it. Keep playing the victim act though. Definitely believing it.

And people like you totally ignore the difference between Labour members, and Labour voters.

[jakedee]

They don't, which is the whole point.

And it won't be tested if it's never presented in a general election and voted on.Labour failed miserably at the last election with the kind of policies that the plp want to continue with.Why not try a radical approach and try to win the next one with something maybe a little more appealing to Labour supporters and not just be a diluted version of the Tory's.

[Ira Gaines]

And people like you totally ignore the difference between Labour members, and Labour voters.

There would be more Labour voters if they weren't such a disgusting clusterfuck of a party. It's blatantly obvious. The problem is within. You're right about that much. You just don't want to look at exactly where.

[BerwickMad]

And it won't be tested if it's never presented in a general election and voted on.Labour failed miserably at the last election with the kind of policies that the plp want to continue with.Why not try a radical approach and try to win the next one with something maybe a little more appealing to Labour supporters and not just be a diluted version of the Tory's.

The evidence suggests it isn't appealing to Labour supporters in the heartlands, but is to the middle class, university graduate, southern membership. Personally, I want to see an alternative government with Labour values appealing to as many people as possible, not an experiment to keep Rupert in the Green Shop happy.

[Ira Gaines]

Abstaining on extremely important votes seems like good values to back.

[Broomhill Ultra]

Where is this being reported? Frightening if true.

Here;

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57a6ecd2e4b03393f7f63d14

[dirty dingus]

Spoiler

 

The PLP are so committed to becoming the next govt that not one o their big hitting media darlings were willing to put their heads on the chopping block and left it to a fake socialist wi his multi millionaire right wing tory mates and his supporting of NHS privateers to fight Corbyn. Bunch o backstabbing weasels. 

[Cream Cheese]

1 minute ago, BerwickMad said:

The evidence suggests it isn't appealing to Labour supporters in the heartlands, but is to the middle class, university graduate, southern membership. Personally, I want to see an alternative government with Labour values appealing to as many people as possible, not an experiment to keep Rupert in the Green Shop happy.

Again, you're just not seeing it. It's about changing the mentality of the electorate. Not changing your own policies in order to win them over. If every party did this, then they would all be offering the same thing. You'd be as well just voting Conservative, because that's exactly where Labour would need to position themselves right now in order to win over the wider electorate with the current mentality that people hold.

Labour need to campaign harder for true Labour values. Not abandon them, just for the sake of getting into power and continuing where the tories left off. There would be absolutely no point in that.

[BerwickMad]

Again, you're just not seeing it. It's about changing the mentality of the electorate.

Fuckin hell!

[Fide]

16 minutes ago, BerwickMad said:

And people like you totally ignore the difference between Labour members, and Labour voters.

And people like you think it's perfectly acceptable for an MP to tell their democratically elected leader to "sit down and shut up" in the House of Commons.

[jakedee]

The evidence suggests it isn't appealing to Labour supporters in the heartlands, but is to the middle class, university graduate, southern membership. Personally, I want to see an alternative government with Labour values appealing to as many people as possible, not an experiment to keep Rupert in the Green Shop happy.

It didn't work last time,or the time before.It won't work the next time either.The Labour values you speak of,if they are Infact Labour values have been rejected by the electorate.Maybe more people are looking for policies that would keep " Rupert in the green shop happy".Why not at least have a go at setting the agenda,rather than just be Tory lite

[Cream Cheese]

Just now, BerwickMad said:

Fuckin hell!

Good response. You've addressed my point well there.

[Fide]

Just now, jakedee said:

It didn't work last time,or the time before.It won't work the next time either.The Labour values you speak of,if they are Infact Labour values have been rejected by the electorate.Maybe more people are looking for policies that would keep " Rupert in the green shop happy".Why not at least have a go at setting the agenda,rather than just be Tory lite

As is evidently clear, if people want Tory policies, they'll vote Tory.

Diet Tory, with a liberal sprinkling of abstention, is enticing to precisely no one.