Bully Wee Villa Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Many of us on the left still believe in leftwing politics, and think that we could fare much better if we had someone presenting said views in a vaguely competent way, unlike Corbyn. I don't think the members are suddenly going to say "we had a leftwing leader and he looked like a confused geography teacher. We'd better never try Socialism again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I wouldn't be so certain that an electoral drubbing would lead to members 'coming to their senses' so to speak. The Labour moderates can't contain themselves and are already rebelling against even the notion of Corbyn as PM. Of course the moderates are incapable of really examining where they are going wrong and much like Slab they'll pick the easiest and most convenient excuse for their annihilation and hope the electorate return in 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 This is only going to end in grief for Labour - when they get their expected booting at the polls Corbyn will either refuse to go or if he does then Momentum will find another MP on the hard left for the fruit loop part-time membership to vote for.I am so glad I left Labour 25 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Many of us on the left still believe in leftwing politics, and think that we could fare much better if we had someone presenting said views in a vaguely competent way, unlike Corbyn. I don't think the members are suddenly going to say "we had a leftwing leader and he looked like a confused geography teacher. We'd better never try Socialism again". I feel your pain. First genuine socialist to lead the Labour Party in years and he's a fucking disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 My prediction is that, however big the inevitable shoeing in June, Corbyn will not resign until he is absolutely certain that the PLP cannot simply appoint a candidate of its choice or refuse to include one of his supporters if it is contested. The PLP is supposedly uniting around Yvette Cooper, but I have a feeling that Emily Thornberry has positioned herself well to be the immediate successor (assuming Corbyn did agree to go after a Tory landslide). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Just like the last Socialist to lead us was. Surely there must be a Socialist out there who is media friendly and looks like he knows how to tie his own shoelaces?I'm jealous of most on this forum. At least you can get the f**k out of this Union I'm stuck with Tories running England for God knows how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 "Where have all the cowboys socialists gone?" Into the ground with the rest of the 1950s probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Surely they can't seriously consider Emily Thornberry a legitimate candidate? She makes Corbyn look coherent, authoritative, and endlessly charismatic by comparison. The woman is a complete waste of space. If she's the best they can come up with then Westminster Labour have surely reached Kez levels of desperation. Mind you, they elected Corbyn in the first place, so christ knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 11 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Says who? The new leader will be whichever of the candidates who is able to get sufficient MPs' votes to be able to stand, and then expresses the most leftwing viewpoints to the members. I'd be surprised if that was Cooper. "Greetings, comrade." "Greetings." "All ready to fight for social justice, equality and making the world a better place for all mankind." "Yes." "Great. Just one question." "What?" "How left wing are you?" "Me. I am very left wing." "Oh dear." "What?" "You said you were very left wing?" "Yes." "Me. I am very, very left wing but I suppose I am okay with somebody who is just very left wing." "What?" "Yes. But I think you should avoid Sean. He is very, very, very left wing." "Huh." "That's the way it is." "Hang on. Aren't we all this together. Trying to improve things for everyone." "Yes, yes. But you need to understand. You have your one very, your two very, your three very and your four. You even have those who describe themselves as left wing with no very at all - bloody fascists I would say." "Oh dear. It all sounds very confusing." "There you go again." "What?" "I would describe it as very, very confusing but let's agree to disagree." "Okay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I would be surprised if Cooper couldn't beat Thornberry. The only one that would make me worry really would be Clive Lewis. I think he would be an improvement on Corbyn and he can string a sentence together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 This is only going to end in grief for Labour - when they get their expected booting at the polls Corbyn will either refuse to go or if he does then Momentum will find another MP on the hard left for the fruit loop part-time membership to vote for.I am so glad I left Labour 25 years ago. I have a lot of sympathy for the Corbyn left. I know a lot of marginalised people who have joined up with Labour to try and bring a left wing alternative in England but the brand is too toxic now. There's no ousting the slugs and snakes in the PLP but I can't think of an alternative either. Labour hasn't really been a party for the left in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I would be surprised if Cooper couldn't beat Thornberry. The only one that would make me worry really would be Clive Lewis. I think he would be an improvement on Corbyn and he can string a sentence together. Why would Clive Lewis make you worry? He's already being talked up by Owen Jones and he's the media friendly left wing poster boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Why would Clive Lewis make you worry? He's already being talked up by Owen Jones and he's the media friendly left wing poster boy. Well for those reasons. I think a Lewis vs Cooper leadership election could easily result in a Lewis win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 My word.https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/855039598182801408 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said: My word.https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/855039598182801408 This is going to be the most shambolic Labour campaign on both sides of the border ever, isn't it? Beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 My word.https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/855039598182801408 I'm actually ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 hours ago, NotThePars said: I have a lot of sympathy for the Corbyn left. I know a lot of marginalised people who have joined up with Labour to try and bring a left wing alternative in England but the brand is too toxic now. There's no ousting the slugs and snakes in the PLP but I can't think of an alternative either. Labour hasn't really been a party for the left in a long time. If they genuinely wanted to "bring a left wing alternative" then they shouldn't have voted for a mumbleclown with no credible prospect of winning power. Twice. That has little to do with the brand and everything to do with backing an absolutely abysmal political leader. But as the Momentum goons have no interest in building a party that can credibly challenge for power, they'll continue to back the mumbleclown until he eventually falls on his sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, jmothecat said: I'm actually ok with that. I'll concede that in the lexicons of desperate things the Labour party have done over the last 5 years, this is a minor offence. Still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Jeremy Corbyn for PM –@JeremyCorbyn4PMTeam behind #JezWeCan. No one thought we could, but #JezWeDid. Now we're campaigning to win in 2017. Please note, we don't speak for @jeremycorbyn or @UKLabourCan't really blame Corbyn for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I'll concede that in the lexicons of desperate things the Labour party have done over the last 5 years, this is a minor offence. Still. I'm all for politicians copying Aberdeen player goal celebrations tbh.Looking forward to seeing Tim Farron attempting the Logan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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