D Angelo Barksdale Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 1 hour ago, mjw said: Theres been a few articles like that recently. The reaction from Hothersall is normally about nine on the Richter scale. Hothersalls' a nine on the roaster scale. Looking forward to his reaction after Slab get trounced next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 I admittedly have not studied it too closely, but, to be honest, I am never entirely sure what this 'progressive alliance' is actually supposed to entail. I have heard and read it being bandied about, but seldom defined. If it is simply, for example, the SNP and Labour talking to each other about some issues at Westminster where their interests overlap, that is sensible enough and I would be very surprised if conversations of that nature did not already take place. As for a closer relationship between these parties and others, however, I do not recognise the advantages for the SNP - and, truth be told, I do not think it would help Labour or any other participating parties much, either. Why would the SNP desire a closer relationship with Labour in their current state, both north and south of the border? Why would they want to join an alliance with the Liberal Democrats, many of whom barely have a progressive bone in their bodies? Also, much of Labour's rhetoric and policy direction on, for instance, immigration has not been what I would consider 'progressive' recently, as ill-defined as that label often is. I would totally be willing to listen with an open mind to those who think it is a good idea; as I said, it isn't something I have thought too carefully about. At the moment, however, from the few cases I have read and heard, I am far from convinced of the merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 The Lib Dems have tried to use Brexit as a way back into people's hearts despite Tim Farron being a creepy homophobe who can't stop saying he'd go into coalition with the Tories again. Awful party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 9 hours ago, DrewDon said: I admittedly have not studied it too closely, but, to be honest, I am never entirely sure what this 'progressive alliance' is actually supposed to entail. I have heard and read it being bandied about, but seldom defined. If it is simply, for example, the SNP and Labour talking to each other about some issues at Westminster where their interests overlap, that is sensible enough and I would be very surprised if conversations of that nature did not already take place. As for a closer relationship between these parties and others, however, I do not recognise the advantages for the SNP - and, truth be told, I do not think it would help Labour or any other participating parties much, either. Why would the SNP desire a closer relationship with Labour in their current state, both north and south of the border? Why would they want to join an alliance with the Liberal Democrats, many of whom barely have a progressive bone in their bodies? Also, much of Labour's rhetoric and policy direction on, for instance, immigration has not been what I would consider 'progressive' recently, as ill-defined as that label often is. I would totally be willing to listen with an open mind to those who think it is a good idea; as I said, it isn't something I have thought too carefully about. At the moment, however, from the few cases I have read and heard, I am far from convinced of the merits. Why would the SNP want an alliance with Labour? Of what possible good is it for the SNP. We want out of Westminster ASAP Likewise why would Labour want an alliance with the SNP. That would surely be dynamite in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 This progressive alliance stuff is the realisation of those down south that it's highly improbable that Labour will win an overall majority at Wm again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: This progressive alliance stuff is the realisation of those down south that it's highly improbable that Labour will win an overall majority at Wm again. Of course it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Looking forward to the Blairite wing of the Labour party coming out against a real living wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 This progressive alliance stuff is the realisation of those down south that it's highly improbable that Labour will win an overall majority at Wm again. Just as, back in 2000 or so, there was no chance that the Tories would ever win a majority again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Looking forward to the Blairite wing of the Labour party coming out against a real living wage. It seems to be one of few policy ideas pretty much unanimously supported by all wings of the party. From a personal point of view I'm wondering if it's actually a little conservative. What will £10 be worth in 2020 I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 It seems to be one of few policy ideas pretty much unanimously supported by all wings of the party. From a personal point of view I'm wondering if it's actually a little conservative. What will £10 be worth in 2020 I wonder. f**k ALL. In euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Things may have changed with the change in leader but didn't Osborne's 'living wage' have a built in stagger to be about £9or something like that by 2020. I mean obviously £10 is better than £9 but only a pound better an hour doesn't seem that progressive really. I suppose Osborne's only applies to over 25s, so having a universal one is better, but really I would be hoping that by 2020 Labour will have a higher amount in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Things may have changed with the change in leader but didn't Osborne's 'living wage' have a built in stagger to be about £9or something like that by 2020. I mean obviously £10 is better than £9 but only a pound better an hour doesn't seem that progressive really. I suppose Osborne's only applies to over 25s, so having a universal one is better, but really I would be hoping that by 2020 Labour will have a higher amount in mind. Does it matter? Not getting elected and Scotland's offski anyway. Tbf it's a decent policy and I do hope the people of England get behind it. I just can't see England voting Labour in the next 10yrs and in Scotland they are dead. Only Indy can revive a nuSLAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Does it matter? Not getting elected and Scotland's offski anyway. Tbf it's a decent policy and I do hope the people of England get behind it. I just can't see England voting Labour in the next 10yrs and in Scotland they are dead. Only Indy can revive a nuSLAB 2020, 100 seat majority for Labour.Yeah they may as well offer a minimum wage of £100 an hour at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, jmothecat said: 2020, 100 seat majority for Labour. Yeah they may as well offer a minimum wage of £100 an hour at this point. Especially when you have Labour MPs like Graham Jones vocally coming out against it with boring recycled Tory rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Things may have changed with the change in leader but didn't Osborne's 'living wage' have a built in stagger to be about £9or something like that by 2020. I mean obviously £10 is better than £9 but only a pound better an hour doesn't seem that progressive really. I suppose Osborne's only applies to over 25s, so having a universal one is better, but really I would be hoping that by 2020 Labour will have a higher amount in mind. You don't see many 11% pay rises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 hours ago, jmothecat said: 2020, 100 seat majority for Labour. Yeah they may as well offer a minimum wage of £100 an hour at this point. Mind and tell them that 30+ years ago some Labour MP stood up in parliament and vowed that the next Labour government would give free tv tae all auld folk. Tell them I'm still waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 On 4/10/2017 at 15:02, Bully Wee Villa said: Just as, back in 2000 or so, there was no chance that the Tories would ever win a majority again. Surely Labour should be prepared for all eventualities, including a hung parliament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I'm sure I'd never heard of Corbyn when SLab started to die up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, mjw said: I'm sure I'd never heard of Corbyn when SLab started to die up here. Whit a f**king numpty is G.Foulkes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, mjw said: I'm sure I'd never heard of Corbyn when SLab started to die up here. When Foulkes dies it had better be burial and not cremation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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