Ira Gaines Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I'd say leaving for that reason, given what it entails, is good. Infact, I'd encourage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Amusingly some Corbyn supporters on Twitter are claiming the GMB ballot question was biased because it focuses on the electability of the candidates.Biased against him because it focuses on electability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 No Labour leader is electable in the current climate so it's a pointless question anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Meanwhile in the Corbyn Cinematic Universe, another reboot in the offing. This time an 80s horror\comedy: Militant. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/10/leader-expelled-leftwing-group-militant-peter-taaffe-readmission-labour-corbyn Some images of Militant members trying to join Labour in disguise has been obtained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Meanwhile in the Corbyn Cinematic Universe, another reboot in the offing. This time an 80s horror\comedy: Militant. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/10/leader-expelled-leftwing-group-militant-peter-taaffe-readmission-labour-corbyn Maybe Tommy Sheridan will join SLab. Wonder what the line of the Socialist Party in Scotland & other left sects will be - may test how committed they really are to Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 When you can answer whether an electorally viable Labour is something you detest rather than finding trolling comments by politicians then you can re-enter the grown up part of the discussion. I'm not here to 'discuss' with you. I simply made two statements which you now seem to be unable just to take at face value. And why the attitude Petal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 13 hours ago, jmothecat said: I know this is difficult for you to grasp, but the right of the Labour movement isn't right-wing. I know this is difficult for you to grasp, but a centrist (that's right of left wing btw) Labour party that abstains regularly, criticises it's own supporters, has a pop at it's own leader at every opportunity, does f**k all about the Tories and it's full to the brim of troughing halfwits is attractive to precisely no-one, other than mouth breathers like yourself and berwickmad. Good day to you, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 11 hours ago, jmothecat said: Amusingly some Corbyn supporters on Twitter are claiming the GMB ballot question was biased because it focuses on the electability of the candidates. Biased against him because it focuses on electability... You think Smith is electable? Deary me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 You think Smith is electable? Deary me. The majority of GMB members obviously believe he's more electable than Corbyn, as do Corbyn's own supporters judging by their anger at the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, jmothecat said: The majority of GMB members obviously believe he's more electable than Corbyn, as do Corbyn's own supporters judging by their anger at the question. The majority of GMB members aren't Labour supporters and still won't vote Labour even if Smith wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 15 hours ago, Cream Cheese said: But surely people who support and vote for the Conservative Party or a far right party are hardly going to join a workers union in order to have a positive influence on that union. The only reason I could see people on the right joining a union is so they can influence it in a negative way. Or because despite believing in right wing politics generally, they value the protection a Union can give them in their workplace regardless of any attempts to influence politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, Dunning1874 said: Or because despite believing in right wing politics generally, they value the protection a Union can give them in their workplace regardless of any attempts to influence politics? If they valued protection in the work place, they wouldn't be on the right. The right couldn't give a flying flock about workers rights. The right are the employers who want their employees to have less rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Cream Cheese said: If they valued protection in the work place, they wouldn't be on the right. The right couldn't give a flying flock about workers rights. The right are the employers who want their employees to have less rights. Well yeah, but it's the classic self-interest of the right: if a Trade Union can give them the protection they need in their workplace then that's fine and the Tories can legislate to f**k over as many other workers as they like. As long as they're safe themselves, everyone else can rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 42 minutes ago, jmothecat said: The majority of GMB members obviously believe he's more electable than Corbyn, as do Corbyn's own supporters judging by their anger at the question. The vast majority of GMB members, as stated by their GS, couldn't be bothered answering the question. Around 60% of less than 7% expressed a preference for Smith. God alone knows how many of those are Party members, but with my knowledge of the GMB, I'd guess pretty few. You keep parroting everything the PLP and the MailoGraphe press tell you though, like the good wee Tory Blairite you are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 38 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: The vast majority of GMB members, as stated by their GS, couldn't be bothered answering the question. Around 60% of less than 7% expressed a preference for Smith. God alone knows how many of those are Party members, but with my knowledge of the GMB, I'd guess pretty few. You keep parroting everything the PLP and the MailoGraphe press tell you though, like the good wee Tory Blairite you are... There is no doubt that jmotheblairite is a mere bawhair from being a Tory entrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 You think Smith is electable? Deary me. I believe he's more electable than Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: I believe he's more electable than Corbyn. Pity most Labour party members don't agree with you, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 There's absolutely no chance Smith will win this. It's going to be so funny when Corbyn absolutely smashes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 17 hours ago, Cream Cheese said: But surely people who support and vote for the Conservative Party or a far right party are hardly going to join a workers union in order to have a positive influence on that union. The only reason I could see people on the right joining a union is so they can influence it in a negative way. Apologies for not responding to this earlier. Most people join trade unions to protect their individual interests and rights, and to benefit individually from other aspects of membership; not necessarily as an overt demonstration of support for the broader objectives of the trade union movement. I cannot personally comprehend the logic in joining a trade union because you value your rights and conditions at work enough to do so, and then proceeding to vote for the Tories - the mainstream Party most likely to undermine and threaten the very things you would join a trade union to protect. But enough people obviously do. It is entirely permissible to be a member of a trade union (Unite and Unison included) and not to identify as a Labour supporter. This is the case regardless of whether you consider yourself left-wing, right-wing or neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Pity most Labour party members don't agree with you, eh? We've no idea if they do or not. I've heard some people who are backing Corbyn but don't even care who is more electable of the two. I'm more concerned about whether the electorate agree with me more than the membership anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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