AmericanFan Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Ginaro said: We are currently 14th (guaranteed 15th) in the 2019-20 ranking: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2020.html That sets the allocation for the 2021-22 access list, so during the 2020-21 season that's what clubs will be competing for - i.e. two CL, one EL, two ECL at the end of this season. Ok, let’s see if I can get my head around this: So for this season: 1. CL qualifying round 3 2. CL qualifying round 2 3. Europa League qualifying round 3 (assuming cup winner is one of top 3 teams) 4. Europa Conference League qualifying round 2 5. Europa Conference League qualifying round 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, AmericanFan said: Ok, let’s see if I can get my head around this: So for this season: 1. CL qualifying round 3 2. CL qualifying round 2 3. Europa League qualifying round 3 (assuming cup winner is one of top 3 teams) 4. Europa Conference League qualifying round 2 5. Europa Conference League qualifying round 2 Yes, but, subject to a wee push up the line dependent on who wins the champions league and europa league 2020/21. If those were both teams with domestic success meaning they vacate their winner spot then it could mean 3 is pushed in the the Europa PO round meaning guaranteed group stage football (eg Conference League if they lose). Absolutely huge potential for one of the Scottish clubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 14 hours ago, ScoRoss said: I'm assuming third place teams in the group no longer get punted into the next competition down? Otherwise struggling to see how that could work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 I'm assuming third place teams in the group no longer get punted into the next competition down? Otherwise struggling to see how that could work.Still get punted down unfortunately.3rd in CL groups will drop down and play a knockout round against the 2nd place teams from the EL. 3rd in EL will drop down and play 2nd place teams from ECL groups too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) Oh okay, ta. I was struggling to work out how a 24 team knockout would work! I don't mind that, tbh. It means finishing 1st has a genuine reward above finishing 2nd. Will keep the groups competitive for longer. I would also have it so that Champions League last sixteen was just one leg, with the group winners getting home advantage. Again, it gives a genuine reward for better performance and keeps the groups competitive. Edited August 11, 2020 by Bully Wee Villa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, charger29 said: Still get punted down unfortunately. 3rd in CL groups will drop down and play a knockout round against the 2nd place teams from the EL. 3rd in EL will drop down and play 2nd place teams from ECL groups too. This is sounding better and better. So the 3rd Scottish team could win two matches and survive in Europe until the end of February. Heady days. One match in the PO round and one match in the group being good enough to finish 3rd in the group and fall in to the ECL last 32. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Oh okay, ta. I was struggling to work out how a 24 team knockout would work! I don't mind that, tbh. It means finishing 1st has a genuine reward above finishing 2nd. Will keep the groups competitive for longer. I would also have it so that Champions League last sixteen was just one leg, with the group winners getting home advantage. Again, it gives a genuine reward for better performance and keeps the groups competitive. I don't mind it for the 3rd in CL dropping down. It seems fairly sensible. 3rd in EL dropping down is a bit much though. In theory (I think) teams could play against each other 6 times in a season now. CL quali, EL quali and ECL knockout. 13 minutes ago, d31 said: This is sounding better and better. So the 3rd Scottish team could win two matches and survive in Europe until the end of February. Heady days. One match in the PO round and one match in the group being good enough to finish 3rd in the group and fall in to the ECL last 32. Don't think 3 will get you through very often. 5-6 is seems to happen a fair amount though. Edited August 11, 2020 by charger29 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, charger29 said: I don't mind it for the 3rd in CL dropping down. It seems fairly sensible. 3rd in EL dropping down is a bit much though. Seems okay to me, basically the same principal. Keeps it interesting for all the teams. Even if you're shite, you still have a chance of third and continued European competition. If you're one of the better teams you'll be aiming to top the group and avoid the 2nd vs ECL throwouts playoff round. There should be very few dead rubbers. Edited August 11, 2020 by Bully Wee Villa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 2 hours ago, d31 said: Yes, but, subject to a wee push up the line dependent on who wins the champions league and europa league 2020/21. If those were both teams with domestic success meaning they vacate their winner spot then it could mean 3 is pushed in the the Europa PO round meaning guaranteed group stage football (eg Conference League if they lose). Absolutely huge potential for one of the Scottish clubs Wow. That’s great. The fact almost half the premiership gets to Europe has to have the SPFL pretty happy, plus makes the fight for the top 6 even more important. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, AmericanFan said: Wow. That’s great. The fact almost half the premiership gets to Europe has to have the SPFL pretty happy, plus makes the fight for the top 6 even more important. Yes it is a very exciting prospect 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Now that there are 5 European spots on offer, should one of them be allocated to the winner of the League Cup? Not that'll probably matter, but on the off chance a club out with the best four teams in the league wins it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 2 hours ago, ScoRoss said: Now that there are 5 European spots on offer, should one of them be allocated to the winner of the League Cup? Not that'll probably matter, but on the off chance a club out with the best four teams in the league wins it. No, because there’s no guarantee it stays 5 spots forever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, d31 said: Yes, but, subject to a wee push up the line dependent on who wins the champions league and europa league 2020/21. If those were both teams with domestic success meaning they vacate their winner spot then it could mean 3 is pushed in the the Europa PO round meaning guaranteed group stage football (eg Conference League if they lose). Absolutely huge potential for one of the Scottish clubs Just to clarify - whether the CL and EL title holder spots are used have no bearing on us as association 14, as you can see from the changes at: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2019.html Only the gap created by a lack of ECL title winner will have any affect on us, if as we expect UEFA move up the cup winners from association 7, and then 13+14 as well. 2 hours ago, ScoRoss said: Now that there are 5 European spots on offer, should one of them be allocated to the winner of the League Cup? Not that'll probably matter, but on the off chance a club out with the best four teams in the league wins it. There's now nine countries who have a league cup, and only one awards a European place (England with their 7 clubs) - don't think we need to bother, in case we end up with someone from outside the top 4 or 5 representing us in Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Ginaro said: Just to clarify - whether the CL and EL title holder spots are used have no bearing on us as association 14, as you can see from the changes at: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2019.html Only the gap created by a lack of ECL title winner will have any affect on us, if as we expect UEFA move up the cup winners from association 7, and then 13+14 as well. There's now nine countries who have a league cup, and only one awards a European place (England with their 7 clubs) - don't think we need to bother, in case we end up with someone from outside the top 4 or 5 representing us in Europe. So this is a one off for one year then (if it relys on there being no winner of the Conference League)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, d31 said: So this is a one off for one year then (if it relys on there being no winner of the Conference League)? Possibly - of course this is the only season that we know for sure that the ECL title holder spot will not be used. Following seasons the winners may well have already qualified for the CL or EL group stage via their league position so it would be vacated again. If the ECL winner has not qualified for Europe at all then they'd get the EL group stage spot. However the complicated scenario is where the winners are from a country outside the top 4 and taking part in qualifying for the CL or EL - the title holder spot would need to be kept open until it was confirmed they had got to the EL group stage (or CL play-off round). Which might be too late for our cup winners to be moved up. Edited August 11, 2020 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 That's Basel knocked out. 14th in the rankings now and start next season in 13th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 8 hours ago, d31 said: That's Basel knocked out. 14th in the rankings now and start next season in 13th. Good spot to be in. Hope Celtic, Motherwell and Aberdeen can start off this year’s campaigns with wins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Rangers earned as many UEFA coefficient points this season as Liverpool and Borussia Dortmund (18.00), and more than Real Madrid (17.00). Celtic (16.50) were not far behind them. Quite a good stat that eh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Yea not bad indeed. If successful it's not bad having the 4 qualifiers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodcast Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 11/08/2020 at 13:59, Ginaro said: Just to clarify - whether the CL and EL title holder spots are used have no bearing on us as association 14, as you can see from the changes at: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2019.html Only the gap created by a lack of ECL title winner will have any affect on us, if as we expect UEFA move up the cup winners from association 7, and then 13+14 as well. There's now nine countries who have a league cup, and only one awards a European place (England with their 7 clubs) - don't think we need to bother, in case we end up with someone from outside the top 4 or 5 representing us in Europe. Wouldn't a team who won a domestic cup have a better chance of doing well in Europe than a team finishing fourth or fifth in the league? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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