Coefficientwatch

[wastecoatwilly]

17 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

You can't take the money out of the debate. The powerhouse countries exist because of the money. It's not a difficult concept.

Separate the business side from the footballing side it's very easy,PSG spent £200 million on neymar the very next morning neymar was the same player as the day before it didn't make him a better player over night it just gave him a better bank balance.

Edited August 15, 2018 by wastecoatwilly

[Blootoon87]

Separate the business side from the footballing side it's very easy,PSG spent £200 million on neymar the very next morning neymar was the same player as the day before it didn't make him a better player over night it just gave him a better bank balance.

Are you being deliberately stupid?

[wastecoatwilly]

12 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

24 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Separate the business side from the footballing side it's very easy,PSG spent £200 million on neymar the very next morning neymar was the same player as the day before it didn't make him a better player over night it just gave him a better bank balance.

Are you being deliberately stupid?

You can't comprehend the concept.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

[Blootoon87]

I agree it's difficult to grasp whatever point you're trying to make through your poorly structured, punctuation free sentences, yet here we are.

If it's not about money and the best players always go to the supposed powerhouses, care to explain the recent trend of players upping sticks and moving to the footballing hotbed of China?

 

 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

14 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

I agree it's more difficult to grasp whatever point you're trying to make through your poorly structured, punctuation free sentences, yet here we are.
If it's not about money and the best players always go to the supposed powerhouses, care to explain the recent trend of players upping sticks and moving to the footballing hotbed of China?

Free prawn crackers IMO

[Clyde01]

One of the best things about the coefficient system is it has no emphasis on the coin.

So Burnley (who haven’t played European football in 50 years or whatever) had a higher coefficient than Aberdeen (who have performed well in qualifiers for the last 4 years before this) and this was nothing to do with coin?

[Monkey Tennis]

2 hours ago, badgerthewitness said:

Explain.

Well, among the reasons why we should apparently all yearn for an improved coefficient, is that it could in future enable our clubs to access European riches more readily, as they'd need to negotiate fewer rounds to get there.

So you're welcoming something disappearing (Celtic's £30m windfall) while saying that their EL participation can boost the coefficient, thereby hopefully making it easier for them to secure such windfalls in future.  

Therein lies our contradiction.

[falkirkthebigclub]

30 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Well, among the reasons why we should apparently all yearn for an improved coefficient, is that it could in future enable our clubs to access European riches more readily, as they'd need to negotiate fewer rounds to get there.

So you're welcoming something disappearing (Celtic's £30m windfall) while saying that their EL participation can boost the coefficient, thereby hopefully making it easier for them to secure such windfalls in future.  

Therein lies our contradiction.

Scotland have next to no chance of a top 12 twelve ranking, the only scenario that would make it easier for Celtic. Under the current system they simply aren't good enough. Europa League is their level.

Also, I believe £30m+ represents a boost to Celtic's finances, not a "windfall". You seem to be under the impression a £30,000 per week player is 30 times better than those who earn a grand. That is not the case.

Perhaps your undoubted passion for the beautiful game would be better directed to its amateur side, you seem to have real issues with professional football.

[wastecoatwilly]

2 hours ago, Blootoon87 said:

I agree it's difficult to grasp whatever point you're trying to make through your poorly structured, punctuation free sentences, yet here we are.

If it's not about money and the best players always go to the supposed powerhouses, care to explain the recent trend of players upping sticks and moving to the footballing hotbed of China?

 

 

Again football is about levels if players want to go to china to improve their bank balance i have no problem with that it's a short career.

[Blootoon87]

Again football is about levels if players want to go to china to improve their bank balance i have no problem with that it's a short career.

So money does play a part in where players end up then? Interesting.

[wastecoatwilly]

29 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

32 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Again football is about levels if players want to go to china to improve their bank balance i have no problem with that it's a short career.

So money does play a part in where players end up then? Interesting.

Does it make them better players?

[Blootoon87]

Does it make them better players?

No, it improves the clubs though. Which in turn improves their results, which improves the coefficient. I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make, I'll leave you to it though.

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Take the money out of the debate.
The powerhouse footballing countries will always attract the best players from around the world
The best talent will always want to play at the highest level possible whether they're from San marino or Spain.
Wales are sitting 48th in the coefficient table,Gareth bale was never going to stay at Cardiff civil service.
The highest level is Spain with or without the money.

Prize money in the competition is based on how rich that league already is.

Imagine if prize money at the World Cup  was awarded the way it is in the Champions League. Germany would have got more money for being papped out in the group stage than Croatia got for being runner-up. Instead, the Croatian FA got the money that their team earned, some of which went on bonus payments to the players that had earned it, and the rest can go into developing Croatian football.

Well, knowing the Croatian FA it'll probably get embezzled, but you know what I mean.

Or other sports... imagine Novak Djokovic winning less prize money than some massively inferior American he horses in the quarter final.

Handing out prize money based on how much is generated by the country you're from is anti-competitive, a breach of sporting integrity and locks in advantage.

Also, the difference in prize money between making the group stages and not is ludicrously huge. All of this is designed to funnel as much money as possible to the teams that armchair fans want to see, regardless of performance.

And that's before you get to the champions of 30 countries playing for the same number of places as get given to Italy alone.

[wastecoatwilly]

31 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

40 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Does it make them better players?

No, it improves the clubs though. Which in turn improves their results, which improves the coefficient. I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make, I'll leave you to it though.

The point is real madrid have been winning the competition since the start with or without the dosh

[The_Judge]

2 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Well, knowing the Croatian FA it'll probably get embezzled, but you know what I mean.

Wow...you actually know the Croatian FA? 

Kudos

[GordonS]

6 minutes ago, The_Judge said:

Wow...you actually know the Croatian FA? 

Kudos

Me and Mamic, we go way back.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/06/croatias-soccer-stars-should-be-heroes-instead-theyre-hated/ 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Prize money in the competition is based on how rich that league already is.

Imagine if prize money at the World Cup  was awarded the way it is in the Champions League. Germany would have got more money for being papped out in the group stage than Croatia got for being runner-up. Instead, the Croatian FA got the money that their team earned, some of which went on bonus payments to the players that had earned it, and the rest can go into developing Croatian football.

Well, knowing the Croatian FA it'll probably get embezzled, but you know what I mean.

Or other sports... imagine Novak Djokovic winning less prize money than some massively inferior American he horses in the quarter final.

Handing out prize money based on how much is generated by the country you're from is anti-competitive, a breach of sporting integrity and locks in advantage.

Also, the difference in prize money between making the group stages and not is ludicrously huge. All of this is designed to funnel as much money as possible to the teams that armchair fans want to see, regardless of performance.

And that's before you get to the champions of 30 countries playing for the same number of places as get given to Italy alone.

Bang on the money, that is how the whole of society now works in this modern era, give the richest the most and cut off the supply to those struggling at the bottom or attempting to aspire.

"It's ma baw and nobody else is gettin it" attitude, now firmly entrenched in the western world............

[GordonS]

7 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

The point is real madrid have been winning the competition since the start with or without the dosh

Seriously man, you need to do some learning.

How many European Cups did Real Madrid win between 1960 and when the Champions League started?

[54_and_counting]

3 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Seriously man, you need to do some learning.

How many European Cups did Real Madrid win between 1960 and when the Champions League started?

He's having a mare, leave him alone ffs lol