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20 hours ago, craigkillie said:

It is possible that all three clubs will enter in QR1, but it is highly likely that the highest ranked entrant (Scottish Cup winners, or 2nd in the Premiership if Celtic win the cup) will enter QR2.  The UEFA access list has spots cleared in the later rounds for various contingencies, such as the Champions League or Europa League winners not otherwise qualifying for Europe.  In practice, these spots are almost always vacated, which means that various teams move up from the previous round.  The only thing which could really stop it would be a bunch of weird scenarios like Leicester winning the Champions League and the Europa League winners not having already qualified for Europe through their domestic league.

 

So....

If Man U finish 6th (missing out on Europe) but win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR1?
 
But if Man U finish 5th and win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR2.
 
Is that correct or does something else need to happen?

 

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23 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said:

So....

If Man U finish 6th (missing out on Europe) but win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR2?
 
But if Man U finish 5th and win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR2.
 
Is that correct or does something else need to happen?

You've got the jist of it. Both CL title-holder and EL title-holder plays in CL but if either has qualified for EL then that slot is dumped (not passed to another club from their country) and so a few clubs move up each round in EL. Remember that Manchester United are in the final of the English League Cup or could yet win the FA Cup too, which are like your scenario of them finishing 5th. If they won EL and both domestic cups there wouldn't be 2 slots freed-up, though - one slot would defer to EPL like normal cup double whilst other slot would be dumped.

It can also happen if, again most likely involving title-holders, fewer clubs than normal drop into EL QR4 from CL QR3.

Conversely if say Leicester win CL, Manchester United win EL and neither qualify for anything domestically then 4th in EPL gets bumped into EL (no nation is allowed beyond 5 CL teams) and if further different clubs won the cups, there could be moves down.

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Having a look at potential seedings for next season. If Aberdeen qualify for EL they will likely be seeded in both Qr 1 and 2, based on last season. This may work against us as beating a seeded team gives you their ranking for Qr 3. In the case of beating Rijeka this meant we ended up seeded in qr 3. No chance of that this time.

 

St J would likely be seeded in qr 1 and 2 as well. Although they will likely need Aberdeen, Rangers or Celtic to win the cup and to overhaul hearts for 4th. Very doable.

 

Hearts would likely be right on the seeding line for qr2. Last season a coefficient of 5.775 got you seeded, hearts are currently 5.785.

 

If hibs defend the cup they will be unseeded in qr2. 4.785.

 

Any other team qualifying for qr 2 by winning the cup. Or if rangers finish 2nd and lose the final to Celtic and enter in qr 2, they will be unseeded.

 

There's also the possibility or rangers qualifying for qr1 through lge position. They'd be on the line for seeding in qr1 as they'd only get Scotland base coefficient of 3.785 although 3.625 was enough to be seeded in qr1 last year.

 

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On 2/8/2017 at 01:10, Bully Wee Villa said:

I don't suppose they'll allow a Kosovo team to play a club from Serbia, will they? Massive spoilsports.

No, but UEFA are open about segregating teams for political and safety reasons

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On 06/04/2017 at 19:48, d31 said:

whats the latest update on the cup winners spot? QR2 vs QR1 ??

Who should we be cheering on in the europa league and champions league quarter finals?

Europa League: 

Anderlecht: 2 points clear for CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Man United: 4 points off CL qualifiers, 6 points off CL groups

Lyon: 16 points off CL qualifiers, 17 points off CL groups
vs.
Besiktas: 5 points clear for CL groups, 11 points clear for CL quaifiers

Celta Vigo: 20 points off CL qualifiers, 21 points off CL groups
vs.
Genk: 11 points off CL qualifiers, 13 points off CL groups

Ajax: 1 point off CL groups, 4 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Schalke: 13 points off CL qualifiers, 14 points off CL groups


Champions League:

Juventus: 10 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Barcelona: 8 points clear for CL groups, 15 points clear for CL qualifiers

Dortmund: 1 point off CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Monaco: 4 points clear for CL groups, 20 clear for CL qualifiers

Atletico: 1 point clear for CL groups, 8 clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Leicester: 25 points off CL qualifiers, 27 off CL groups

Bayern: 18 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Real: 11 points clear for CL groups, 18 points clear for CL qualifiers

 

The Champions and Europa winners both go straight into the Champions League group stage next season. Teams in bold all look like they will qualify directly for the CL groups so we should be cheering them on. It could depend on how it works if a team who is in line for a CL qualifiers spot wins either competition and gets a CL group stage spot instead. 

 

TL;DR:

For our 2nd place/Cup winners to go straight into QR2 we should be cheering on Anderlecht and Besiktas for the Europa and anyone but Leicester for the Champions League.

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On 11/04/2017 at 19:14, lubo_blaha said:

Europa League: 

Anderlecht: 2 points clear for CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Man United: 4 points off CL qualifiers, 6 points off CL groups

Lyon: 16 points off CL qualifiers, 17 points off CL groups
vs.
Besiktas: 5 points clear for CL groups, 11 points clear for CL quaifiers

Celta Vigo: 20 points off CL qualifiers, 21 points off CL groups
vs.
Genk: 11 points off CL qualifiers, 13 points off CL groups

Ajax: 1 point off CL groups, 4 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Schalke: 13 points off CL qualifiers, 14 points off CL groups


Champions League:

Juventus: 10 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Barcelona: 8 points clear for CL groups, 15 points clear for CL qualifiers

Dortmund: 1 point off CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Monaco: 4 points clear for CL groups, 20 clear for CL qualifiers

Atletico: 1 point clear for CL groups, 8 clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Leicester: 25 points off CL qualifiers, 27 off CL groups

Bayern: 18 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers
vs.
Real: 11 points clear for CL groups, 18 points clear for CL qualifiers

 

The Champions and Europa winners both go straight into the Champions League group stage next season. Teams in bold all look like they will qualify directly for the CL groups so we should be cheering them on. It could depend on how it works if a team who is in line for a CL qualifiers spot wins either competition and gets a CL group stage spot instead. 

 

TL;DR:

For our 2nd place/Cup winners to go straight into QR2 we should be cheering on Anderlecht and Besiktas for the Europa and anyone but Leicester for the Champions League.

Is it not the opppsite, should we not be cheering on the teams in the EL not likely to make the CL domestically?

Is that not what hibeejibee and CraigKillie said above?

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Would the second place/cup winner likely be seeded in the First Qualifying Round? If so, wouldn't it be better for Scotland if they enter at that stage? Get some nice extra coefficient points for pumping some shite from San Marino or Andorra, rather than having their first match in the tournament a tricky encounter against somebody Norwegian or Czech, for instance. Of course, this excludes a Hearts somehow managing to lose to Maltesers scenario.

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Is it not the opppsite, should we not be cheering on the teams in the EL not likely to make the CL domestically?
Is that not what hibeejibee and CraigKillie said above?


Looking back, it appears I have f*cked it. I'd done the above on the understanding that there were two slots reserved for CL/EL winners but if they had already qualified for the CL then everyone below would shift up one position.
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