Faddy88 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 0.125 overall points, as the 0.5 points they would gain is divided by the 4 teams taking part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 No, surely they would get 2 points for 2 wins, and 2/4 = 0.5 as he said? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordecai Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Yeah...2 points (1 for each win) divided by the 4 teams. 0.5 points extra. Points for wins/draws are doubled in the group stages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Leyenda Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, craigkillie said: It is possible that all three clubs will enter in QR1, but it is highly likely that the highest ranked entrant (Scottish Cup winners, or 2nd in the Premiership if Celtic win the cup) will enter QR2. The UEFA access list has spots cleared in the later rounds for various contingencies, such as the Champions League or Europa League winners not otherwise qualifying for Europe. In practice, these spots are almost always vacated, which means that various teams move up from the previous round. The only thing which could really stop it would be a bunch of weird scenarios like Leicester winning the Champions League and the Europa League winners not having already qualified for Europe through their domestic league. So.... If Man U finish 6th (missing out on Europe) but win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR1? But if Man U finish 5th and win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR2. Is that correct or does something else need to happen? Edited February 8, 2017 by La_Leyenda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I don't suppose they'll allow a Kosovo team to play a club from Serbia, will they? Massive spoilsports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said: So.... If Man U finish 6th (missing out on Europe) but win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR2? But if Man U finish 5th and win the Europa League, the Scottish Cup winners go into QR2. Is that correct or does something else need to happen? You've got the jist of it. Both CL title-holder and EL title-holder plays in CL but if either has qualified for EL then that slot is dumped (not passed to another club from their country) and so a few clubs move up each round in EL. Remember that Manchester United are in the final of the English League Cup or could yet win the FA Cup too, which are like your scenario of them finishing 5th. If they won EL and both domestic cups there wouldn't be 2 slots freed-up, though - one slot would defer to EPL like normal cup double whilst other slot would be dumped. It can also happen if, again most likely involving title-holders, fewer clubs than normal drop into EL QR4 from CL QR3. Conversely if say Leicester win CL, Manchester United win EL and neither qualify for anything domestically then 4th in EPL gets bumped into EL (no nation is allowed beyond 5 CL teams) and if further different clubs won the cups, there could be moves down. Edited February 8, 2017 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faddy88 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 On 2/7/2017 at 14:56, Mordecai said: Yeah...2 points (1 for each win) divided by the 4 teams. 0.5 points extra. Points for wins/draws are doubled in the group stages. Yea, don't know what I was thinking there... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Having a look at potential seedings for next season. If Aberdeen qualify for EL they will likely be seeded in both Qr 1 and 2, based on last season. This may work against us as beating a seeded team gives you their ranking for Qr 3. In the case of beating Rijeka this meant we ended up seeded in qr 3. No chance of that this time. St J would likely be seeded in qr 1 and 2 as well. Although they will likely need Aberdeen, Rangers or Celtic to win the cup and to overhaul hearts for 4th. Very doable. Hearts would likely be right on the seeding line for qr2. Last season a coefficient of 5.775 got you seeded, hearts are currently 5.785. If hibs defend the cup they will be unseeded in qr2. 4.785. Any other team qualifying for qr 2 by winning the cup. Or if rangers finish 2nd and lose the final to Celtic and enter in qr 2, they will be unseeded. There's also the possibility or rangers qualifying for qr1 through lge position. They'd be on the line for seeding in qr1 as they'd only get Scotland base coefficient of 3.785 although 3.625 was enough to be seeded in qr1 last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 01:10, Bully Wee Villa said: I don't suppose they'll allow a Kosovo team to play a club from Serbia, will they? Massive spoilsports. No, but UEFA are open about segregating teams for political and safety reasons 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR851903 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Are not all Scottish entrants in QR1, including the cup winners? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, AR851903 said: Are not all Scottish entrants in QR1, including the cup winners? Celtic will enter Champions League Qualifying Round 2. Aberdeen, Rangers & St Johnstone will enter Qualifying Round 1 of the Europa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Are not all Scottish entrants in QR1, including the cup winners? Currently slated for that but depends who wins the Champions League and Europa League this season. There's a more than reasonable chance that the cup winners will get in qr 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 whats the latest update on the cup winners spot? QR2 vs QR1 ?? Who should we be cheering on in the europa league and champions league quarter finals? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 On 06/04/2017 at 19:48, d31 said: whats the latest update on the cup winners spot? QR2 vs QR1 ?? Who should we be cheering on in the europa league and champions league quarter finals? Europa League: Anderlecht: 2 points clear for CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers vs. Man United: 4 points off CL qualifiers, 6 points off CL groups Lyon: 16 points off CL qualifiers, 17 points off CL groups vs.Besiktas: 5 points clear for CL groups, 11 points clear for CL quaifiers Celta Vigo: 20 points off CL qualifiers, 21 points off CL groups vs. Genk: 11 points off CL qualifiers, 13 points off CL groups Ajax: 1 point off CL groups, 4 points clear for CL qualifiers vs. Schalke: 13 points off CL qualifiers, 14 points off CL groups Champions League: Juventus: 10 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers vs.Barcelona: 8 points clear for CL groups, 15 points clear for CL qualifiers Dortmund: 1 point off CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers vs.Monaco: 4 points clear for CL groups, 20 clear for CL qualifiers Atletico: 1 point clear for CL groups, 8 clear for CL qualifiers vs. Leicester: 25 points off CL qualifiers, 27 off CL groups Bayern: 18 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers vs.Real: 11 points clear for CL groups, 18 points clear for CL qualifiers The Champions and Europa winners both go straight into the Champions League group stage next season. Teams in bold all look like they will qualify directly for the CL groups so we should be cheering them on. It could depend on how it works if a team who is in line for a CL qualifiers spot wins either competition and gets a CL group stage spot instead. TL;DR: For our 2nd place/Cup winners to go straight into QR2 we should be cheering on Anderlecht and Besiktas for the Europa and anyone but Leicester for the Champions League. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 champions league looks in the clear. do scotland need both to happen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 leicester all at sea so champions league looks safe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blastie_12 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Frankly I love the thought, analysis and detail in this thread. Unfortunately I still expect all of our clubs out of Europe in qualifying rounds with someone getting beat by a team from alaska or something 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunty Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 On 11/04/2017 at 19:14, lubo_blaha said: Europa League: Anderlecht: 2 points clear for CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers vs. Man United: 4 points off CL qualifiers, 6 points off CL groups Lyon: 16 points off CL qualifiers, 17 points off CL groups vs.Besiktas: 5 points clear for CL groups, 11 points clear for CL quaifiers Celta Vigo: 20 points off CL qualifiers, 21 points off CL groups vs. Genk: 11 points off CL qualifiers, 13 points off CL groups Ajax: 1 point off CL groups, 4 points clear for CL qualifiers vs. Schalke: 13 points off CL qualifiers, 14 points off CL groups Champions League: Juventus: 10 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers vs.Barcelona: 8 points clear for CL groups, 15 points clear for CL qualifiers Dortmund: 1 point off CL groups, 7 points clear for CL qualifiers vs.Monaco: 4 points clear for CL groups, 20 clear for CL qualifiers Atletico: 1 point clear for CL groups, 8 clear for CL qualifiers vs. Leicester: 25 points off CL qualifiers, 27 off CL groups Bayern: 18 points clear for CL groups, 17 points clear for CL qualifiers vs.Real: 11 points clear for CL groups, 18 points clear for CL qualifiers The Champions and Europa winners both go straight into the Champions League group stage next season. Teams in bold all look like they will qualify directly for the CL groups so we should be cheering them on. It could depend on how it works if a team who is in line for a CL qualifiers spot wins either competition and gets a CL group stage spot instead. TL;DR: For our 2nd place/Cup winners to go straight into QR2 we should be cheering on Anderlecht and Besiktas for the Europa and anyone but Leicester for the Champions League. Is it not the opppsite, should we not be cheering on the teams in the EL not likely to make the CL domestically? Is that not what hibeejibee and CraigKillie said above? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Would the second place/cup winner likely be seeded in the First Qualifying Round? If so, wouldn't it be better for Scotland if they enter at that stage? Get some nice extra coefficient points for pumping some shite from San Marino or Andorra, rather than having their first match in the tournament a tricky encounter against somebody Norwegian or Czech, for instance. Of course, this excludes a Hearts somehow managing to lose to Maltesers scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Is it not the opppsite, should we not be cheering on the teams in the EL not likely to make the CL domestically? Is that not what hibeejibee and CraigKillie said above? Looking back, it appears I have f*cked it. I'd done the above on the understanding that there were two slots reserved for CL/EL winners but if they had already qualified for the CL then everyone below would shift up one position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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