thepundit Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, Faddy88 said: Yea this is the same Rangers team that won only 1 of their last 25 games in Europe, they were a big part of us falling down the rankings like we did. During those 25 games Rangers got past Fiorentina in the Europa League semi final and competed in the final. Those games alone probably scored more points than any other club outside Celtic in the past 5 seasons combined so it's a bit harsh to attach too much blame to Rangers, especially considering the nation was ranked as high as it was mainly due to the efforts of two teams. Most of the blame has to go to the other ten clubs who consistently go out in qualifiers to teams they should probably be winning against. Anyway's... massive congratulations to Aberdeen for advancing to the next round. Them being in Europe this season, from a purely selfish perspective, can only be good for Rangers. One, if they qualify for the groups it's a distraction from the league and two, the coefficient points could help Rangers' seeding when we qualify for next season. Hibs were unlucky but Hearts? well, that's my point, the other clubs aren't pulling their weight for the most part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 10 hours ago, ScoRoss said: You'd still earn points by being in the next round anyway. On a side note, Hibs fans missed out on a great away trip there! Hibs would have earned points for their own personal club coefficient, but Scotland don't gain any coefficient points for teams making it through to that round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nightfly Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 The coefficients started in 1979, but Bert Kassies has worked out what the coefficients would have been before that by using the same system. Therefore Scotland's coefficient history should be:- 1960: 5th 1961: 6th 1962: 5th 1963: 3rd 1964: 3rd 1965: 6th 1966: 6th 1967: 5th 1968: 5th 1969: 3rd 1970: 3rd 1971: 4th 1972: 5th 1973: 6th 1974: 6th 1975: 9th 1976: 11th 1977: 16th 1978: 15th ------coefficients officially introduced------ 1979: 17th 1980: 13th 1981: 14th 1982: 14th 1983: 6th 1984: 4th 1985: 6th 1986: 7th 1987: 5th 1988: 7th 1989: 9th 1990: 10th 1991: 9th 1992: 12th 1993: 12th 1994: 13th 1995: 15th 1996: 17th 1997: 19th 1998: 26th 1999: 21st 2000: 15th 2001: 16th 2002: 12th 2003: 9th 2004: 11th 2005: 10th 2006: 11th 2007: 10th 2008: 10th 2009: 13th 2010: 16th 2011: 15th 2012: 18th 2013: 24th 2014: 23rd 2015: 23rd 2016: 25th 2017: Currently 23rd Who do we think were the 3 countries above Scotland in 1984? Maybe England, Germany & Italy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Right now tied for 100th are Leicester City & Wigan Athletic. Also notice that in 89th are Celta Vigo who have qualified for Europe this season, their first time since 2006-07. All the team ranking does is illustrate how difficult it is for a club from a lesser league to gain any sort of traction. Aberdeen, I think most would agree, have done relatively well the last three years. Got to the Third Qualifying Round from the First. Beating a seeded team along the way each year. Yet they don't really have anything to show for it. Exactly.Leicester and Wigan ranking is farcical tbh, similar to Hull a couple of years back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faddy88 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 8 hours ago, thepundit said: During those 25 games Rangers got past Fiorentina in the Europa League semi final and competed in the final. Those games alone probably scored more points than any other club outside Celtic in the past 5 seasons combined so it's a bit harsh to attach too much blame to Rangers, especially considering the nation was ranked as high as it was mainly due to the efforts of two teams. Most of the blame has to go to the other ten clubs who consistently go out in qualifiers to teams they should probably be winning against. Anyway's... massive congratulations to Aberdeen for advancing to the next round. Them being in Europe this season, from a purely selfish perspective, can only be good for Rangers. One, if they qualify for the groups it's a distraction from the league and two, the coefficient points could help Rangers' seeding when we qualify for next season. Hibs were unlucky but Hearts? well, that's my point, the other clubs aren't pulling their weight for the most part. The Old Firm have been equally as culpable at that, so let's agree to say that none of us have been pulling our weight as much as we could. That being said though, if we deride the clubs for losing to unseeded sides, praise must then be heaped on those that overcome their seeded opponents so Aberdeen's 3 years in a row of doing just that should be applauded. They must be one of the only clubs in Europe to have done accomplished something like that. 2 hours ago, Chinese Whisperer said: Who do we think were the 3 countries above Scotland in 1984? Maybe England, Germany & Italy? 1. Germany 2. England 3. Spain, Italy were 5th 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_Rodger Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Aberdeen have been sensational at pulling their weight. Inverness, Hearts, Motherwell, St Johnstone. Have all had the potential to push the coefficient to its maximum. Celtic somewhat could be slightly blamed, for finishing 4th in the UEL group but the fact is they still qualified. Bottom line is...Well done the Dons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_Rodger Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Also f**k it. SFA should sanction all red and yellow cards. We honestly should be aiming for a fair play spot tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordecai Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Also f**k it. SFA should sanction all red and yellow cards. We honestly should be aiming for a fair play spot tbh I don't agree with that. If we were to get another spot at the moment it would just serve to dilute our coefficient average even further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 The fair play spots have been scrapped. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Leyenda Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Coefficient points collected by Scottish clubs over the last five years (including this season):- Celtic: 49.5 (13 of these are bonus points) Aberdeen: 9.5 St Johnstone: 5.5 Hearts: 3 Hibernian: 1 Motherwell: 0.5 Dundee Utd: 0.5 Inveeness CT: 0.5 Edited July 23, 2016 by La_Leyenda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Leyenda Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Coefficient points collected by Scottish clubs over the last ten years (including this season):- Celtic: 82.5 (20 of these are bonus points) Rangers: 43 (14 bonus points) Aberdeen: 15.5 Hearts: 6 Motherwell: 6 St Johnstone: 5.5 Dundee Utd: 2 Hibernian: 1 Falkirk: 1 Inverness CT: 0.5 Dunfermline: 0.5 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 On 22/07/2016 at 15:37, Faddy88 said: Yea this is the same Rangers team oofftt there is a few regulars in the BRALT that just keeled over at that statement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 On 22/07/2016 at 14:15, tarapoa said: The former rangers last effort in Europe saw them papped out by Malmo and then Maribor in pre-qualifiers - and this was when Scots clubs starte id argue that one of the worst managers in scottish football history was the blame of that, the same calendar year we lost to malmo and maribor we also reached the UEFA cup last 16 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 After Hearts' embarrassing performance against the mighty Birkirkarra of Malta, Hibs' unlucky penalty shoot-out loss to Brondby IF, Celtic's win over Lincoln Red Imps and Aberdeen's good away win in Latvia it leaves the coefficient from 15th downward looking like this: Pos. - Country - 16/17 - Total - Teams Left (Bold = CL) 15. Croatia - 1.750 - 21.875 - 4/4 - Dinamo Zagreb, Rijeka, Hajduk Split, Lokomotiva Zagreb, 16. Romania - 0.100 - 21.150 - 4/5 - Astra , Steaua Bucarest, Pandurii Targu Jiu, Viitorul Constanta 17. Austria - 1.875 - 19.850 - 4/4 - RB Salzburg, Rapid Wien, Austria Wien, Admira Wacker 18. Belarus - 2.375 - 19.250 - 3/4 - BATE, Torpedo Zhodino, Dinamo Minsk 19. Sweden - 2/250 - 19.225 - 2/4 - AIK, IFK Goteburg 20. Norway - 1.125 - 18.075 - 1/4 - Rosenborg BK 21. Denmark - 2.500 -18.000 - 4/4 - FC Copenhagen, SonderjyskE, Midtjylland, Brondby 22. Poland - 1.000 - 16.875 - 2/4 - Legia Warsaw, Zaglebie Lubin 23. Scotland - 1.875 - 16.425 - 2/4 - Celtic, Aberdeen 24. Azerbaijan - 1.875 - 15.375 - 2/4 - Qarabag, Qabala With AIK having a tough tie with Panithinaikos, Sweden should be down to one team by the next round. Rosenborg have to beat ---- to prolong Norway's representation in Europe, behind Scotland, Qabala will have to beat Lille to progress and Qarabag are in Czechia so they both have though ties. However, all of this could mean f**k all if Aberdeen and Celtic can't progress against Maribor and Astana. The best realistic case scenario is that Aberdeen could win at home and lose in Slovenia and Celtic can win at Parkhead and draw in Astana. That would give Scotland an extra 0.625 and guarantees Celtic a Europa League group stage spot. It could be enough for Scotland to catch Poland but I doubt it as Legia are playing Trencin of Slovakia and should win whilst Zaglebie Lubin play Danish side SonderjyskE. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Behind Belarus. Dear God. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC13 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Behind Belarus. Dear God. Belarus are pretty good. BATE Borisov have always been a decent team in recent years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 25 minutes ago, AMC13 said: BATE Borisov have always been a decent team in recent years. The last time they were Europe they were in the Champions League groups and lost 5 out of 6 games. (three of those being 5, 6 and 7 goals to zero.) If that was Rangers or Celtic would you be saying the same thing?....... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC13 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 The last time they were Europe they were in the Champions League groups and lost 5 out of 6 games. (three of those being 5, 6 and 7 goals to zero.) If that was Rangers or Celtic would you be saying the same thing?....... The last time they were in Europe was last year and they went out on 5 points, one behind second place Roma. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gambler Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Looking at the Europa League access list for this season, 18th place got entry to the third qualifying round for their cup winners. Anyone reckon this is achievable for next season? http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/accesslist/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 On 23/07/2016 at 21:31, Marr1 said: and Qarabag are in Czechia *shudders* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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