Marshmallo Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Isn't there huge gaps between every other league in Scotland from premier to SPFL 2 though ? Aside from the Highland League, you couldn't make a list of six goal pumpings like that from any of the other leagues from tier five up. Crazy results happen on occasion but not with the regularity they seem to in the LL. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Marshmallo said: That really isn't healthy. The league is too big, the gap between top and bottom is huge with some real dross in there. It's not just teething problems either, looks like it's getting worse as time goes on. There was no need for the LL to have more than ten clubs, and hence no need to have any Fort William and Rothes type outfits on board. Having four clubs from a relatively sparsely populated rugby hotbed like the Borders was asking for trouble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Marshmallo said: Aside from the Highland League, you couldn't make a list of six goal pumpings like that from any of the other leagues from tier five up. Crazy results happen on occasion but not with the regularity they seem to in the LL. Maybes no the humping But you do tend get the same clubs up for promotion and relegation year in year out though. LL looks like being no different, there's a pattern developing, top middle bottom clubs ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigiemack Posted August 28, 2016 Author Share Posted August 28, 2016 The smaller clubs will gradually adjust and improve as they get more used to this level and the finances improve, it'll just take some time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1320Lichtie Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Wow that Andy Rodgers goal Shire fans must be loving this relegation, looking like Barca in the LL. Could be a straight swap with you guys and city again come May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigiemack Posted August 28, 2016 Author Share Posted August 28, 2016 The best thing about the Andy Rodgers goal is the horrific shot from Greame MacGregor that ends up being an unreal ball for Jamie Glasgow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty0310 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Wow that Andy Rodgers goal Shire fans must be loving this relegation, looking like Barca in the LL. Could be a straight swap with you guys and city again come May. Scoring for fun, cheap drink, cheap entry, free scran, excellent social clubs. Hope we stay down for another few. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Marshmallo said: That really isn't healthy. The league is too big, the gap between top and bottom is huge with some real dross in there. It's not just teething problems either, looks like it's getting worse as time goes on. It's not great. However, if you think that's bad there's about 3 times as many for HL - in much of last season they averaged 2 thrashings a week - so your subsequent post isn't right. Also LL had 7 last season versus 11 season before, and yesterday's is the first this season so the rate is reducing. Most of those in LL have involved Preston, Selkirk and Threave (now in SOSL). Edited August 28, 2016 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Here are the extracted figures of winning margins of 5+ goals in the pyramid. In actual fact LL stands-up fairly well:2013-14 4 - SPFL Prem 2 - SPFL Cham 6 - SPFL Lge One 3 - SPFL Lge Two 37 - Highland Lge 7 - Lowland Lge 5 - EOS Premier 11 - EOS First 20 - South Lge2014-15 7 - SPFL Prem 6 - SPFL Cham 2 - SPFL Lge One 2 - SPFL Lge Two 45 - Highland Lge 12 - Lowland Lge 10 - EOS Premier 14 - EOS First 33 - South Lge2014-15 5 - SPFL Prem 5 - SPFL Cham 7 - SPFL Lge One 6 - SPFL Lge Two 47 - Highland Lge 16 - Lowland Lge 30 - EOS Premier (including 3 Kelso Utd before folded) 29 - South Lge 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 51 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Here are the extracted figures of winning margins of 5+ goals in the pyramid. In actual fact LL stands-up fairly well:2013-14 4 - SPFL Prem 2 - SPFL Cham 6 - SPFL Lge One 3 - SPFL Lge Two 37 - Highland Lge 7 - Lowland Lge 5 - EOS Premier 11 - EOS First 20 - South Lge2014-15 7 - SPFL Prem 6 - SPFL Cham 2 - SPFL Lge One 2 - SPFL Lge Two 45 - Highland Lge 12 - Lowland Lge 10 - EOS Premier 14 - EOS First 33 - South Lge2014-15 5 - SPFL Prem 5 - SPFL Cham 7 - SPFL Lge One 6 - SPFL Lge Two 47 - Highland Lge 16 - Lowland Lge 30 - EOS Premier (including 3 Kelso Utd before folded) 29 - South Lge The Lowland League has less games than any of the rest I'm assuming? There's nothing below the HL so it's to be expected - it is also too big and should be split given the disparity between the teams at the top and the teams at the bottom. Approximately 9% of games ending with a minimum of a 5 goals between the sides in 2014/15 is not "standing up fairly well" IMO. Basically one every two weeks. The SPFL Premiership was around 1%. League Two was 3%. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) SPFL Premiership plays 38 games. SPFL Championship, League One and League Two plays 36 games. LL plays 30 games. In previous seasons was 28, 26, 22. HL plays 34 games. EOSL plays 20 games this season due to shortage of clubs. Last season 28 (or 30 before Kelso folded). Season before that 24 in Premier / 28 in First. Season before that 18 in both. SOSL plays 26 games. In 2013-14 was 20 due to shortage of clubs My point was mainly in comparison to the other non-league levels. Also if you're considering HL differently then you should do same for LL as there has been no relegation (in practice) until now. As I observed most of the cases in the last 3 seasons have involved Preston, Selkirk and Threave - the latter resigned and are now in SOSL, while the former pair are in the bottom 2 places currently with 1 and possibly 2 clubs almost certain to be relegated this season. It is an interesting point to consider it is terms of % although your figure of 9% seems out to me.2013-14 1.7% - SPFL Prem 1.1% - SPFL Cham 3.3% - SPFL Lge One 1.6% - SPFL Lge Two 12.0% - Highland Lge 5.3% - Lowland Lge 5.5% - EOS Premier 12.2% - EOS First 18.1% - South Lge2014-15 3.0% - SPFL Prem 3.3% - SPFL Cham 1.1% - SPFL Lge One 1.1% - SPFL Lge Two 14.7% - Highland Lge 6.5% - Lowland Lge 9.2% - EOS Premier 12.5% - EOS First 18.1% - South Lge2015-16 2.1% - SPFL Prem 2.7% - SPFL Cham 3.8% - SPFL Lge One 3.3% - SPFL Lge Two 15.3% - Highland Lge 7.6% - Lowland Lge 14.0% - EOS Premier (including 3 Kelso Utd before folded) 15.9% - South Lge Edited August 28, 2016 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 That appears to show LL has consistently had the lowest rate in the non-leagues... always under half that of HL - and last season about half that of all other non-leagues... and only in the South of Scotland League has the rate been falling. Admittedly still more significant than SPFL (whose overall average was 1.9%, 2.2%, 2.9% across the 3 seasons), and it would be better if the figure started coming down. By the same token you'll always get a higher rate the lower down you go. It's just part of football. In the same way teams concede more goals as you go down the levels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 It just really shows that there is cannon fodder in both the LL and HL teams playing in leagues way above their natural level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 The only way the SFA could get the HL to sign on as tier 5 was to agree that it remained intact with its existing 18 teams. It's not so clear why the LL had to have 16 clubs complete with some that clearly don't belong anywhere near this level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Judge Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 5 hours ago, matty0310 said: Some great finishes and a clean sheet for the substitute goalkeeper. Not sure what your connection to the songstress is though...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: SPFL Premiership plays 38 games. SPFL Championship, League One and League Two plays 36 games. LL plays 30 games. In previous seasons was 28, 26, 22. HL plays 34 games. EOSL plays 20 games this season due to shortage of clubs. Last season 28 (or 30 before Kelso folded). Season before that 24 in Premier / 28 in First. Season before that 18 in both. SOSL plays 26 games. In 2013-14 was 20 due to shortage of clubs My point was mainly in comparison to the other non-league levels. Also if you're considering HL differently then you should do same for LL as there has been no relegation (in practice) until now. As I observed most of the cases in the last 3 seasons have involved Preston, Selkirk and Threave - the latter resigned and are now in SOSL, while the former pair are in the bottom 2 places currently with 1 and possibly 2 clubs almost certain to be relegated this season. How will possibly two clubs be relegated this season? I thought there was only one relegation place with the East/South champions playing off for the promotion spot (or, more likely, the South champions going straight up as the East champions are likely to be unlicensed). Ah, if a Highland League team is promoted and the relegated League Two team goes down to the Lowland League. Edited August 29, 2016 by stanley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Correct. It looks very likely that SOSL winner will be licensed given Edusport, St Cuthbert, Threave and Wigtown all have theirs and Newton Stewart are supposedly getting close and need it (although they were let into this season's Scottish Cup anyway, tbf!). That means 3 scenarios for relegation:0 relegated - LL winner wins playoff, defeating Arbroath/Elgin/Forfar/Montrose [this triggers '19 clubs' issue in HL] 1 relegated - SPFL2 club wins playoff and survives 1 relegated - HL winner wins playoff, defeating Arbroath/Elgin/Forfar/Montrose 1 relegated - LL winner wins playoffs, defeating Annan/Berwick/Clyde/Cowdenbeath/Edinburgh City/Stirling 2 relegated - HL winner wins playoff, defeating Annan/Berwick/Clyde/Cowdenbeath/Edinburgh City/Stirling Early days yet: but with Forfar and Arbroath currently leading SPFL2 and Elgin, who finished 2nd last season, slightly behind it is possible the only 'north of Tay' team in the mix at the bottom may be Montrose. As you say there is supposed to be a promotion playoff between EOSL & SOSL winners, but unless Leith, LTHV or Tynecastle pull a surprise the only licensed teams are Burntisland and Coldstream. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I wonder how much of the SOSL sides will be trying to finish 2nd and avoid getting promoted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodyWoody Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I wasn't there on Saturday but from the facebook pages there seems to be a lack of euphoria compared to say winning away at Annan or Queens Park last season. Kind of recognition that we're not that good! Grant and Rodgers look really good but the defence is shakey. That team with Fisher and Buist at the back and Connor at full back would look pretty formidable. Looking to replace Fisher and Buist pretty quickly I think.Things will become clearer on Saturday. From the Youtube footage it looks a bit like playing a pub team on a public park. It's difficult to take a game that has 10 goals in the first half seriously. Coats for goalposts anyone? Edited August 29, 2016 by GoodyWoody Thought of something else! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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