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On 22/02/2021 at 10:16, G51 said:

The Athletic are saying that we've signed the "next Freddy Adu" - Francis Jacobs, from Orange County. Turned professional at 14.

He'll be a cracker.

It seems like there a number of big differences between Jacobs and Adu which will benefit Rangers if you indeed sign him.

1. Jacobs appears to have a strong family unit behind him who will make decisions for the good of the player whereas a number of Adu’s early career decisions appear to have, influenced by his family and agent, been based on money. He also signed a huge contract with Nike which added pressure.

2. Adu was 5 ft 8 whereas Jacobs is 6 ft. Not saying height is everything however it’s distinctly advantageous at this stage in his career especially in the UK.

3. Jacobs has a British Passport which means he won’t be subject to work permit rules. Adu lost out on a move to Man Utd for this reason - who knows what could have happened if Fergie had got his hands on Adu at 16 ?

All of the above are positive for Jacobs and indeed Rangers if he signs for you.

 

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9 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

It seems like there a number of big differences between Jacobs and Adu which will benefit Rangers if you indeed sign him.

1. Jacobs appears to have a strong family unit behind him who will make decisions for the good of the player whereas a number of Adu’s early career decisions appear to have, influenced by his family and agent, been based on money. He also signed a huge contract with Nike which added pressure.

2. Adu was 5 ft 8 whereas Jacobs is 6 ft. Not saying height is everything however it’s distinctly advantageous at this stage in his career especially in the UK.

3. Jacobs has a British Passport which means he won’t be subject to work permit rules. Adu lost out on a move to Man Utd for this reason - who knows what could have happened if Fergie had got his hands on Adu at 16 ?

All of the above are positive for Jacobs and indeed Rangers if he signs for you.

 

I'll be really cheesed off if this one doesn't happen.

He has actually played for Rangers at youth tournaments, he looked really good at the Alkass Cup.

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Not downplaying mcleish in anyway as he done a very good job at Rangers in his time in charge  but the spine of that team in 2002-2003 was still very much from advocatt’s team .


That was mcleish’s strength, did the same with mclean’s team with us but as soon as he had to get his own players it all started to fall apart. Same with hibs and Birmingham.
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3 hours ago, steelmen said:

 


That was mcleish’s strength, did the same with mclean’s team with us but as soon as he had to get his own players it all started to fall apart. Same with hibs and Birmingham.

 

Yeah 2003-2004 we were poor although he did get given more time and His 2004-2005 team with us was maybe more his own team and style and they done well and obviously that title win went down in folklore . But 2005-2006 was maybe evidence of what you were referring to all though probably our best European season under big eck with our last 16 champions league season . 

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19 hours ago, steelmen said:

 


That was mcleish’s strength, did the same with mclean’s team with us but as soon as he had to get his own players it all started to fall apart. Same with hibs and Birmingham.

 

Tbf to mcleish he wasnt fighting on anywhere the same terms as celtic back then, wins a treble then told to dismantle it as we were 70mill in debt give or take a fiver, told to shop in bargain basement bin while celtic are runninh about with a team containing 6mill quid signings and larsson

Yeah his final season was a third place finish, but given murray told the world he was leaving in november that season its not really a surprise that the guys who knew it was mcleish giving them a break in football had kinda chucked it once we went out of the CL

However mcleish won 7 out of a possible 14 domestic honours he was in contention for (with both advocaats team and his own) made a transfer profit over his time iirc, and made the CL group stages twice and the uefa cup group stage once, all the while slashing the wage budget, im sure in the 3 years after the treble season, he had overseen a 25mill reduction in the debt 

I feel a lot of the rangers fans dont appreciate what he did for us at that time, and only look at the 11game unwinning run (which included a few CL games that helped us to the last 16)

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2 hours ago, 54_and_counting said:

Tbf to mcleish he wasnt fighting on anywhere the same terms as celtic back then, wins a treble then told to dismantle it as we were 70mill in debt 

Interesting take.

How did this “we” you mentioned clear this £70 million debt in the end? 

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On 22/02/2021 at 04:16, G51 said:

The Athletic are saying that we've signed the "next Freddy Adu" - Francis Jacobs, from Orange County. Turned professional at 14.

He'll be a cracker.

Hopefully he doesn't actually become the next Freddy Adu because that talent level won't make the field for y'all.

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3 hours ago, AmericanFan said:

Hopefully he doesn't actually become the next Freddy Adu because that talent level won't make the field for y'all.

Yeah true. I’m sure there’s been a hundred American kids called the next Freddy Adu by this point

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Nikica Jelavic announced his retirement today.

Morelos has clearly pulled ahead of him now, but he was probably the second best striker we've had since 2010. Great player when he was fit.

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53 minutes ago, G51 said:

Nikica Jelavic announced his retirement today.

Morelos has clearly pulled ahead of him now, but he was probably the second best striker we've had since 2010. Great player when he was fit.

I'm not sure. Peak Jelavic was sublime to watch. I think it's a great debate and a very close contest but I think Jelavic just edges it for me.

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1 minute ago, AJF said:

I'm not sure. Peak Jelavic was sublime to watch. I think it's a great debate and a very close contest but I think Jelavic just edges it for me.

Personally I think Jelavic was better but Morelos can potentially achieve more.

As is said is a great debate.

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24 minutes ago, AJF said:

I'm not sure. Peak Jelavic was sublime to watch. I think it's a great debate and a very close contest but I think Jelavic just edges it for me.

I think people underestimate Morelos when comparing him to Jelavic tbh. Jelavic has the edge in finishing (not that much of an edge though), but Morelos has simply been better for longer.

Morelos has also done it at a higher level for Rangers than Jelavic ever did.

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10 minutes ago, G51 said:

I think people underestimate Morelos when comparing him to Jelavic tbh. Jelavic has the edge in finishing (not that much of an edge though), but Morelos has simply been better for longer.

Morelos has also done it at a higher level for Rangers than Jelavic ever did.

In terms of his career Morelos may have been better for longer, however at Rangers Jelavic was good pretty much from the day he arrived until the day he left and left earlier than he probably would've done and for less money due to the financial position we found ourselves in at the time. He was more consistent than Morelos in my opinion and he was a also technically superior player.

Morelos bullies defenders and links play better than Jelavic I feel, and in terms of playing at a higher level, this may be true, however I think it's an unfair criticism against Jelavic given the team he was in at the time was less suited to European football than this one. Jelavic also scored 13 goals in 18 European appearances for Rapid prior to joining us (according to Wiki) so I feel that somewhat mitigates the higher level argument considering he only featured in 5 European games for Rangers, scoring once.

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12 minutes ago, AJF said:

In terms of his career Morelos may have been better for longer, however at Rangers Jelavic was good pretty much from the day he arrived until the day he left and left earlier than he probably would've done and for less money due to the financial position we found ourselves in at the time. He was more consistent than Morelos in my opinion and he was a also technically superior player.

Morelos bullies defenders and links play better than Jelavic I feel, and in terms of playing at a higher level, this may be true, however I think it's an unfair criticism against Jelavic given the team he was in at the time was less suited to European football than this one. Jelavic also scored 13 goals in 18 European appearances for Rapid prior to joining us (according to Wiki) so I feel that somewhat mitigates the higher level argument considering he only featured in 5 European games for Rangers, scoring once.

I'd strongly contest the technical assertion - Morelos has way more strings to his bow than Jelavic did. Morelos can play in front or behind a defence, and is good in and out of possession. It's actually kinda hard to think of a striker role that Morelos can't play - he isn't as good at the Firmino-esque false nine role that Roofe excels at, but he still does it pretty well. Jelavic was a cleaner striker of the ball but was significantly more limited as an overall player.

The second paragraph plays into my other argument here - Morelos is never injured. Suspended yes, but never injured. Jelavic missed 18 games in two seasons because of injury. Assuming a 50 game season, losing your main man for 20% of them is a pretty big deal. He missed an entire CL group stage and the subsequent EL knockouts because of injury.

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7 minutes ago, G51 said:

I'd strongly contest the technical assertion - Morelos has way more strings to his bow than Jelavic did. Morelos can play in front or behind a defence, and is good in and out of possession. It's actually kinda hard to think of a striker role that Morelos can't play - he isn't as good at the Firmino-esque false nine role that Roofe excels at, but he still does it pretty well. Jelavic was a cleaner striker of the ball but was significantly more limited as an overall player.

The second paragraph plays into my other argument here - Morelos is never injured. Suspended yes, but never injured. Jelavic missed 18 games in two seasons because of injury. Assuming a 50 game season, losing your main man for 20% of them is a pretty big deal. He missed an entire CL group stage and the subsequent EL knockouts because of injury.

Yes, I should clarify when I said technically superior, I did mean in terms of striking the ball, passing, shooting, first touch etc, not the tactical aspect of how they performed in a team’s system. As I said, I believe Morelos is superior in linking play than Jelavic ever was.

In terms of the injuries though, as you say it’s a big deal to lose a player, but I don’t believe an injury record diminishes a players ability. He just wasn’t available for as many games as Morelos.

I just don’t feel Morelos is clearly better than him, I think it is very tight.

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From an opponents perspective.

I thought Jelavic was quality, you knew if he got a chance he was likely putting it away, the 2011 League Cup final is testament to that. 

Morelos doesn't for me strike that same fear as Jelavic does, maybe its a composure thing or he's trying too hard in Old Firm games however i'd much rather face a Rangers team including Morelos than i would Jelavic.

Shame injuries have gotten the better of him

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