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3 minutes ago, AJF said:

Aye, I’ve been over it before but for clarity, I am not defending Gascoigne’s actions and I don’t think he should’ve done it. My main point was I fail to see how his gesture can be determined to be bigoted (not that I am saying it was fine).

I fully appreciate it relates to a sensitive religious issue and panders to those who will have bigoted views? But his gesture does not show any intolerance to Catholics or any other faith which is why I don’t believe it could be deemed bigoted/sectarian.

I could be wrong and it may be pedantic, and if so, fair enough.

The point is that you're bending over backwards to defend something completely socially backwards and indefensible just because you're a Rangers supporter.

If you supported any other team, you'd look at people doing what you're doing and pity them.

Find a new team. Rangers are a pathetic thing to be into in this day and age.

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26 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

That kinda goes back to my point with Scottish society having issues with Irishness 

Except the OO - even in Scotland - is an organisation with deep Irish roots.  When you rail against the OO - as you have a history of doing - you are railing against Irishness.

I won't get a proper reply since, of course, joined-up thinking and Celtic fans never mix.

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3 minutes ago, bennett said:

 

 

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I seen that. Seems like the Record are trying to stoke the flames with this boardroom issue with King to an extent they are willing to fabricate a story.

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Just now, VincentGuerin said:

The point is that you're bending over backwards to defend something completely socially backwards and indefensible just because you're a Rangers supporter.

If you supported any other team, you'd look at people doing what you're doing and pity them.

Find a new team. Rangers are a pathetic thing to be into in this day and age.

I’m not defending it all though. I’ve said from the start it was wrong.

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2 minutes ago, AJF said:

I seen that. Seems like the Record are trying to stoke the flames with this boardroom issue with King to an extent they are willing to fabricate a story.

 

Shows that you've got to take most of what they say with a pinch of salt. 

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14 minutes ago, bennett said:

 

Shows that you've got to take most of what they say with a pinch of salt. 

It's not surprising them printing garbage. Often newspapers get away with it by saying "sources tell us..." etc. but to actually print a false article under Albertz's name as if he authored it is pretty poor.

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46 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

That kinda goes back to my point with Scottish society having issues with Irishness 

If the club can’t celebrate its Irish roots because this upsets some people, then I would argue the problem isn’t so much the club but the people who see Ireland as an attack on them

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44 minutes ago, Antony said:

Yeah that's what i said, you see having an Irish flag as an issue. The flag literally represents peace between Catholics and protestants hence the green and orange. The flag of the Irish nation isn't sectarian and it does not promote anti-protestantism. If the Irish flag causes sectarian problems or some sort of rivalry it's probably because your country has an issue with anti-Irish racism. Maybe you can should have a look at that before claiming what the Irish flag or Irish identity represents. 

Someone waving an Irish flag doesn't give Scottish people the right to abuse them for their nationality or religion. 

 

 

41 minutes ago, Buckets said:

Think that says more about your perception of Ireland than anything else tbh. Does Asian people celebrating Asian culture or waving a Pakistani flag help support anti-Asian racism? 

Celtic fans eh. Read a point, completely ignore it, then make up their own version to make it sound like they're being personally attacked.

I couldn't give a single f**k if someone walked into my house covered in an Irish flag. Celtic make a point of having a kit, or team wear, with those colours on it simply to help continue the Irish v British/Catholic v Protestant/Celtic v Rangers mentality within their supports. 

Both clubs and fanbases actively encourage and revel in creating a Catholic v Protestant mentality. That is an undeniable fact yet here we are, with 3 Celtic fans claiming that their club putting out an anti-Protestant message in a major kit launch, lyrics within an anti-Protestant song their fans sing, isn't them promoting an anti-Protestant message.

Celtic promote themselves as a Catholic/Irish club because its part of the rivalry with Rangers. Rangers promote themselves as Protestant/British because its part of the rivalry with Celtic. Both clubs turn a blind eye to songs their fans sing that promote bigotry/sectarianism as its part of the rivalry. Both clubs sell club wear designed to annoy the other side because its part of the rivalry. Both clubs put out public slogans designed to encourage anti-Catholic/anti-Protestant sentiments as its part of the rivalry.

Both clubs get away with it, and the fans get away with it, because theres thousands of mewling wee pathetic boot lickers like you three, on both sides, who'd rather circle the wagons around a bunch of bigots and protect them than understand that you're as big a part of the issue as they are by blocking others from taking action.

I guess I'll end up with some bizarre wee history lesson from 150 years ago, or I'll be told I'm the bigot, or some other weirdo deflective bullshit, tbh. Its like a fucking cult.

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1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

Bluster away all you want..  You said, specifically, "One of the very first things the OO started to do way back in the 19th century was to campaign pro actively against any legislation allowing Catholic worship."

You haven't a jot of evidence for this happening in Scotland.

There is if you care to go find it. The OO in Scotland’s first tentative steps into politics was to join an under the table informal alliance with anti-popery tories at Westminster to combat the Catholic Emancipation. This prompted the Whigs to become suspicious about the alliance and played a small part in why a select committee where instructed to investigate OO activities across GB.

I wish I could say your staunch defence of the OO was admirable but actually it just makes you appear like….well you know what however I should have known better to engage in this sort of debate with someone who’s opening gambit is “The OO in Scotland isn’t anti-Catholic”

 

 

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6 minutes ago, AJF said:

It's not surprising them printing garbage. Often newspapers get away with it by saying "sources tell us..." etc. but to actually print a false article under Albertz's name as if he authored it is pretty poor.

You'd have think they'd have learnt after their H&H story spectacularly backfired on them.

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1 hour ago, AJF said:

They can. My sibling was educated at a Catholic school despite our family being atheist. They were put on a waiting list though and only admitted after Catholics were given priority and there was space remaining.

It was a rhetorical question mate. 

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11 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

There is if you care to go find it. The OO in Scotland’s first tentative steps into politics was to join an under the table informal alliance with anti-popery tories at Westminster to combat the Catholic Emancipation. This prompted the Whigs to become suspicious about the alliance and played a small part in why a select committee where instructed to investigate OO activities across GB.

What an odd response since, of course, The Tories were originally the party of the Jacobites and to describe them as 'anti-popery' is just ignorant.

Edit:  I think your opposition to the OO is just a symbol of the anti-Irish disease that seems to plague Scotland.

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9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

 

 

Celtic fans eh. Read a point, completely ignore it, then make up their own version to make it sound like they're being personally attacked.

I couldn't give a single f**k if someone walked into my house covered in an Irish flag. Celtic make a point of having a kit, or team wear, with those colours on it simply to help continue the Irish v British/Catholic v Protestant/Celtic v Rangers mentality within their supports. 

Both clubs and fanbases actively encourage and revel in creating a Catholic v Protestant mentality. That is an undeniable fact yet here we are, with 3 Celtic fans claiming that their club putting out an anti-Protestant message in a major kit launch, lyrics within an anti-Protestant song their fans sing, isn't them promoting an anti-Protestant message.

Celtic promote themselves as a Catholic/Irish club because its part of the rivalry with Rangers. Rangers promote themselves as Protestant/British because its part of the rivalry with Celtic. Both clubs turn a blind eye to songs their fans sing that promote bigotry/sectarianism as its part of the rivalry. Both clubs sell club wear designed to annoy the other side because its part of the rivalry. Both clubs put out public slogans designed to encourage anti-Catholic/anti-Protestant sentiments as its part of the rivalry.

Both clubs get away with it, and the fans get away with it, because theres thousands of mewling wee pathetic boot lickers like you three, on both sides, who'd rather circle the wagons around a bunch of bigots and protect them than understand that you're as big a part of the issue as they are by blocking others from taking action.

I guess I'll end up with some bizarre wee history lesson from 150 years ago, or I'll be told I'm the bigot, or some other weirdo deflective bullshit, tbh. Its like a fucking cult.

Oh no I'm not a Celtic fan just thought your comment was pretty abhorrent that's all. Whether it's Ireland or India, flying the flag of a sovereign nation isn't an invitation to racially abuse someone or to continue a cycle of hatred and bigotry. 

 

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1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

What an odd response since, of course, The Tories were originally the party of the Jacobites and to describe them as 'anti-popery' is just ignorant.

No it isn’t since there was a breakaway faction of Tories who were anti-popery and in opposition to Catholic emancipation such as George Spencer Churchill.

It’s actually ignorant to deny the existence of such Ultra Tories 

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1 minute ago, Buckets said:

Oh no I'm not a Celtic fan just thought your comment was pretty abhorrent that's all. Whether it's Ireland or India, flying the flag of a sovereign nation isn't an invitation to racially abuse someone or to continue a cycle of hatred and bigotry. 

 

Well yes, of course, which is why I never tried to claim any different.

I merely said Celtic participate in promoting the Irish v British/Catholic v Protestant farce with Rangers by purposely putting Irish colours into their strips/team wear every season, much like how Rangers put orange into theirs. Its all part of selling the brand.

Quite why you, a "neutral", has read that through blurry eyes and launched into a wee tear stained rant about me "hating the Irish" is beyond me.

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2 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

No it isn’t since there was a breakaway faction of Tories who were anti-popery and in opposition to Catholic emancipation such as George Spencer Churchill.

It’s actually ignorant to deny the existence of such Ultra Tories 

The Tories were, by any measure, the party of the Jacobites!  Why are you even contending this?

Why are you also taking issue with an organisation such as the OO with Irish roots?  Is it anti-Irish intolerance?

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17 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

 

 

Celtic fans eh. Read a point, completely ignore it, then make up their own version to make it sound like they're being personally attacked.

I couldn't give a single f**k if someone walked into my house covered in an Irish flag. Celtic make a point of having a kit, or team wear, with those colours on it simply to help continue the Irish v British/Catholic v Protestant/Celtic v Rangers mentality within their supports. 

Both clubs and fanbases actively encourage and revel in creating a Catholic v Protestant mentality. That is an undeniable fact yet here we are, with 3 Celtic fans claiming that their club putting out an anti-Protestant message in a major kit launch, lyrics within an anti-Protestant song their fans sing, isn't them promoting an anti-Protestant message.

Celtic promote themselves as a Catholic/Irish club because its part of the rivalry with Rangers. Rangers promote themselves as Protestant/British because its part of the rivalry with Celtic. Both clubs turn a blind eye to songs their fans sing that promote bigotry/sectarianism as its part of the rivalry. Both clubs sell club wear designed to annoy the other side because its part of the rivalry. Both clubs put out public slogans designed to encourage anti-Catholic/anti-Protestant sentiments as its part of the rivalry.

Both clubs get away with it, and the fans get away with it, because theres thousands of mewling wee pathetic boot lickers like you three, on both sides, who'd rather circle the wagons around a bunch of bigots and protect them than understand that you're as big a part of the issue as they are by blocking others from taking action.

I guess I'll end up with some bizarre wee history lesson from 150 years ago, or I'll be told I'm the bigot, or some other weirdo deflective bullshit, tbh. Its like a fucking cult.

You keep repeating yourself and I'm not disagreeing with you. But you don't realise you are proving the point being made by other posters. 

You are making it abundantly clear that expressions of Irishness in Scotland are seen as an "issue". That's the view taken in Scotland but from an outsider's perspective its not really a great reflection on your country. If waving an Irish flag stirs up feelings of hatred and anger maybe they are the issue rather than a flag that represents peace. 

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6 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Edit:  I think your opposition to the OO is just a symbol of the anti-Irish disease that seems to plague Scotland.

No my opposition to the OO is an early memory of walking past a local lodge in my centenary Celtic top as a young 9 year old with mum and being shouted at by these people dressed in fancy clothes and sashes and called a “a wee chinky ****** b*****d”

My wife also when she was younger was member of a lodge in her youth. She became a Catholic to marry me and I’ve seen first hand how she is treated by members of that lodge and by some elements of her family.

But I suppose I’m making that up too? 

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