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7 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

That comes as no surprise.

Ok well how should they focus on Scotland's role in slavery and Ireland's role in the Empire. The writing on that banner would be too small I think. Also the Green Brigade did recently highlight Glasgow's role in slavery by renaming Street names in Glasgow City Centre. But you win that argument, I don't get the relevance sorry. 

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4 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

I said something similar a while back in the cricket thread, but celebrating Irish heritage is still seen as something very negative in Scottish society 

Absolute nonsense.  Really imbecilic stuff from you.  Especially on a part of the thread discussing an organisation such as the Orange Order whose Irish branch is firmly rooted in Irish culture.

2 minutes ago, Antony said:

Ok well how should they focus on Scotland's role in slavery and Ireland's role in the Empire. T

So you understood my point perfectly well.  

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3 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

I said something similar a while back in the cricket thread, but celebrating Irish heritage is still seen as something very negative in Scottish society 

Unlike other cultures in Scotland

Things are changing because these sort of attitudes are not really as socially acceptable anymore, but it can still linger 

As someone with what you might perceive with an Irish background because of my name, I’ve lost count the number of times in the past I have been abused simply because my name makes me “one of them” despite me having no Irish connection. 

It does give the impression that despite being a Scot, you’re never truly accepted as one to some in our society 

I can totally understand why people of Irish heritage will look towards that first and foremost as a result, but those that do are labelled as “plastics”

You don’t hear that sort of label aimed at Asian Scots for example 

Look at the abuse McGeady and McCarthy suffered because they wanted to play for Ireland.

Anything that is seen as remotely Irish will send some people into a seething mess. 

 

The post I quoted kind of proves the issue and is why a lot of Irish people have reservations about Scotland despite the 2 having similar histories. Celtic celebrating their Irish heritage with a tricolour on a strip is not in any way negative to me. But seeing people say that the flag of the Irish nation is promoting anti-protestantism is just bizarre, but that's obviously a useful narrative to push.

No one fought for civil rights, they fought because they hate protestants and the British way of life. Couldn't be further from the truth but that's obviously the view over in Scotland. 

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42 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Of course you didn't because you know your daft wee outburst had heehaw to do with Scotland.

So are you saying Catholic emancipation didn’t in fact happen also in Scotland and it didn’t really take another 50 years for the Catholic Church to re-establish itself in Scotland after being essentially outlawed for a couple of centuries?

Are you now in a funny twist of take denying the reformation even happened? 😂

Minter 😂

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3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Absolute nonsense.  Really imbecilic stuff from you.  Especially on a part of the thread discussing an organisation such as the Orange Order whose Irish branch is firmly rooted in Irish culture.

So you understood my point perfectly well.  

Someone on this thread said Celtic putting a tricolour on the Celtic strip is an issue or is anti-protestant. Celebrating Irish heritage is clearly an issue for some people. 

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22 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

So are you saying Catholic emancipation didn’t in fact happen also in Scotland and it didn’t really take another 50 years for the Catholic Church to re-establish itself in Scotland after being essentially outlawed for a couple of centuries?

Are you now in a funny twist of take denying the reformation even happened? 😂

Minter 😂

Bluster away all you want..  You said, specifically, "One of the very first things the OO started to do way back in the 19th century was to campaign pro actively against any legislation allowing Catholic worship."

You haven't a jot of evidence for this happening in Scotland.

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23 minutes ago, Antony said:

Celebrating Irish heritage is clearly an issue for some people. 

You are 100% right.  Celebrating Irish heritage is a massive issue - which is why you and your wee diddy pals are going tonto over Gazza impersonating a flautist.

Shame on you for diverting a football thread to vent your spleen.

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24 minutes ago, Antony said:

Someone on this thread said Celtic putting a tricolour on the Celtic strip is an issue or is anti-protestant. 

It's an issue alongside everything else, not as a single action.

Its done as part of a tit for tat with Rangers to maintain, and escalate, the Catholic v Protestant undercurrent in the rivalry. 

It was in response to a Celtic fan claiming Celtic aren't part of the issue and are just innocent bystanders as Rangers fire out bigotry/sectarianism. 

Both clubs encourage it within their supports.

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5 hours ago, Jinky67 said:

One of the very first things the OO started to do way back in the 19th century was to campaign pro actively against any legislation allowing Catholic worship.

Please explain how the f**k that isn’t anti-Catholic? 

Anyone defending the existence of this organisation especially in the 21st century needs to take themselves away and launch themselves in the sea.

Segregation, exclusivity based on religion is the very foundation sectarian grows from and thrives in.

The once believed fair minded Rangers fans on this forum have properly let themselves down here….

 "Segregation, exclusivity based on religion is the very foundation sectarian(sic) grows from and thrives in" ........except , of course, when it involves segregating children for educational purposes I presume ??

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2 minutes ago, kennie makevin said:

 "Segregation, exclusivity based on religion is the very foundation sectarian(sic) grows from and thrives in" ........except , of course, when it involves segregating children for educational purposes I presume ??

Do Catholic schools exclude or segregate children of other denominations? Or can children of any faith be educated at a Catholic school?

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23 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

It's an issue alongside everything else, not as a single action.

Its done as part of a tit for tat with Rangers to maintain, and escalate, the Catholic v Protestant undercurrent in the rivalry. 

It was in response to a Celtic fan claiming Celtic aren't part of the issue and are just innocent bystanders as Rangers fire out bigotry/sectarianism. 

Both clubs encourage it within their supports.

That kinda goes back to my point with Scottish society having issues with Irishness 

If the club can’t celebrate its Irish roots because this upsets some people, then I would argue the problem isn’t so much the club but the people who see Ireland as an attack on them

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18 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

It's an issue alongside everything else, not as a single action.

Its done as part of a tit for tat with Rangers to maintain, and escalate, the Catholic v Protestant undercurrent in the rivalry. 

It was in response to a Celtic fan claiming Celtic aren't part of the issue and are just innocent bystanders as Rangers fire out bigotry/sectarianism. 

Both clubs encourage it within their supports.

Yeah that's what i said, you see having an Irish flag as an issue. The flag literally represents peace between Catholics and protestants hence the green and orange. The flag of the Irish nation isn't sectarian and it does not promote anti-protestantism. If the Irish flag causes sectarian problems or some sort of rivalry it's probably because your country has an issue with anti-Irish racism. Maybe you can should have a look at that before claiming what the Irish flag or Irish identity represents. 

Someone waving an Irish flag doesn't give Scottish people the right to abuse them for their nationality or religion. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Do Catholic schools exclude or segregate children of other denominations? Or can children of any faith be educated at a Catholic school?

Family friends of ours (non-catholic) sent their weans to a nearby catholic school because it got a good name.

One day one of the weans came home in tears having been told by a teacher that she was going to hell because she wasn't a catholic.

Imagine saying that to kid. She was about ten. 😀 Fucking maniac.

So, you can be educated there, but take some thick skin.

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Just now, Jinky67 said:

Do Catholic schools exclude or segregate children of other denominations? Or can children of any faith be educated at a Catholic school?

They can. My sibling was educated at a Catholic school despite our family being atheist. They were put on a waiting list though and only admitted after Catholics were given priority and there was space remaining.

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26 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

It's an issue alongside everything else, not as a single action.

Its done as part of a tit for tat with Rangers to maintain, and escalate, the Catholic v Protestant undercurrent in the rivalry. 

It was in response to a Celtic fan claiming Celtic aren't part of the issue and are just innocent bystanders as Rangers fire out bigotry/sectarianism. 

Both clubs encourage it within their supports.

Think that says more about your perception of Ireland than anything else tbh. Does Asian people celebrating Asian culture or waving a Pakistani flag help support anti-Asian racism? 

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23 hours ago, AJF said:

I’m not saying he doesn’t know what he is doing, I’m saying making a gesture of a flute isn’t itself bigoted in my opinion.

This is absolutely risible stuff. Really poor.

A classic example of the mindset you need to have to be a Rangers supporter in the 21st century though. You just need to switch your brain off to the reality of the club you've chosen to support.

I pity you in a way. You're probably got deep connections to Rangers. Probably family members, mates, memories etc. It's difficult to just switch that off. But when you're actually typing out and clicking post on the mince you've hit out with in the last few pages, you need to stop ad wonder whether this football club is doing bad things to you.

Rangers are an absolute cancer and you'd maybe do well to reflect on what your support for them is doing to your thought process.

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13 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

This is absolutely risible stuff. Really poor.

A classic example of the mindset you need to have to be a Rangers supporter in the 21st century though. You just need to switch your brain off to the reality of the club you've chosen to support.

I pity you in a way. You're probably got deep connections to Rangers. Probably family members, mates, memories etc. It's difficult to just switch that off. But when you're actually typing out and clicking post on the mince you've hit out with in the last few pages, you need to stop ad wonder whether this football club is doing bad things to you.

Rangers are an absolute cancer and you'd maybe do well to reflect on what your support for them is doing to your thought process.

Aye, I’ve been over it before but for clarity, I am not defending Gascoigne’s actions and I don’t think he should’ve done it. My main point was I fail to see how his gesture can be determined to be bigoted (not that I am saying it was fine).

I fully appreciate it relates to a sensitive religious issue and panders to those who will have bigoted views? But his gesture does not show any intolerance to Catholics or any other faith which is why I don’t believe it could be deemed bigoted/sectarian.

I could be wrong and it may be pedantic, and if so, fair enough.

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