Guest Moomintroll Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Personally I think whoever is in charge of this HOF has played an absolute blinder here, would anyone even know it existed if it wasn't for all the Gazza related publicity they have had this week? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimboyjones1976 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Some good point system in this thread, and some bad. Personally I find the way the HoF went about the nomination and the retraction was wrong. Dangling the carrot in front of Gazza, and also the Rangers support, and then retracting it because of the backlash from people opposed to it tells me it wasn’t thought through very well. How the hell no one on the committee didn’t foresee this coming is beyond me. It’s a question of precident. Let Gazza in, you need to let all and everybody in. The wider question that I ask myself is about the actual criteria for getting in. Gazza was some player for Rangers but like an earlier poster noted, he didn’t light the stage in Europe which is the main reason he was brought up here. He won some leagues and cups at a time when Rangers could’ve won them without him. Played around 100 games and the only thing people really remember is the goals against Aberdeen at Ibrox, the flute playing and getting booked for ‘booking’ the referee. I think the real reason he was nominated was because he was simply a big name. Yes, he was a good player but I could name many other Rangers players who had more of an effect on the league who weren’t Scottish. My own view is that regardless of the wife beating, sexual harassment claims, alcoholism and general ‘lad’ behaviour, he shouldn’t have been nominated at all. The man has had these problems for a while and should be left in peace to deal with them. It’s his problem, his demons and his responsibility to do so. Even consideration for nomination thrusts Gazza into the limelight for his life to be picked over. If this was some attempt to perk him up a bit then it was wrong and it failed. Now we have a situation where all and everyone is throwing in their opinions of suitability. So what is the actual criteria? For example is it service to the game? The effect they have had? Iconic status? No one actually knows but it seems there is a very loosely applied criteria. And where do we go next? Do we nominate Ricksen as a tribute to him before he dies, and before the usual suspects jump all over this suggestion, try and understand what I’m trying to say. He wasn’t an iconic Scottish player but some would be scared to speak up against him because of his illness. Is this actually a Hall of Fame or just a roll call of those we have time for and those we don’t? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Some good point system in this thread, and some bad. Personally I find the way the HoF went about the nomination and the retraction was wrong. Dangling the carrot in front of Gazza, and also the Rangers support, and then retracting it because of the backlash from people opposed to it tells me it wasn’t thought through very well. How the hell no one on the committee didn’t foresee this coming is beyond me. It’s a question of precident. Let Gazza in, you need to let all and everybody in. The wider question that I ask myself is about the actual criteria for getting in. Gazza was some player for Rangers but like an earlier poster noted, he didn’t light the stage in Europe which is the main reason he was brought up here. He won some leagues and cups at a time when Rangers could’ve won them without him. Played around 100 games and the only thing people really remember is the goals against Aberdeen at Ibrox, the flute playing and getting booked for ‘booking’ the referee. I think the real reason he was nominated was because he was simply a big name. Yes, he was a good player but I could name many other Rangers players who had more of an effect on the league who weren’t Scottish. My own view is that regardless of the wife beating, sexual harassment claims, alcoholism and general ‘lad’ behaviour, he shouldn’t have been nominated at all. The man has had these problems for a while and should be left in peace to deal with them. It’s his problem, his demons and his responsibility to do so. Even consideration for nomination thrusts Gazza into the limelight for his life to be picked over. If this was some attempt to perk him up a bit then it was wrong and it failed. Now we have a situation where all and everyone is throwing in their opinions of suitability. So what is the actual criteria? For example is it service to the game? The effect they have had? Iconic status? No one actually knows but it seems there is a very loosely applied criteria. And where do we go next? Do we nominate Ricksen as a tribute to him before he dies, and before the usual suspects jump all over this suggestion, try and understand what I’m trying to say. He wasn’t an iconic Scottish player but some would be scared to speak up against him because of his illness. Is this actually a Hall of Fame or just a roll call of those we have time for and those we don’t?What you said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightswoodBear Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, KnightswoodBear said: That’s actually pretty good from Gascoigne, or whoever helped him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, KnightswoodBear said: Why is he tweeting the SFA about this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Gazza probably has no memory whatsoever of that event. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboyjones1976 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, nsr said: Gazza probably has no memory whatsoever of that event. Evidently he does if he tweeted about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Romeo said: Why is he tweeting the SFA about this? Exactly , it's not their HoF. Individual members may have an opinion, but there's not been any sort of official stance that I'm aware of - Why would there be, it's a third party Personally not fussed either way. He had a few iconic moments I guess. Edited October 15, 2018 by Richie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 He hit that ball harder than his wife. Fair play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imposs1904 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 hours ago, KnightswoodBear said: Overrated goal from an overrated England team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, Jimboyjones1976 said: Evidently he does if he tweeted about it. The suggestion is that someone else did it for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, imposs1904 said: Overrated goal from an overrated England team. It really isn't an overrated goal. It's terrific. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imposs1904 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Principal Flutie said: It really isn't an overrated goal. It's terrific. I'm not denying it's an excellent goal . . . but it's still overrated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 52 minutes ago, imposs1904 said: I'm not denying it's an excellent goal . . . but it's still overrated. It's the kind of goal Brazilian kids on the street can score whenever they feel like it, but only one Englishman has ever done so. Or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Romeo said: Why is he tweeting the SFA about this? He obviously doesn’t know how this Hall Of Fame works. However still pretty amusing, hard as it is for me to admit it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, nsr said: The suggestion is that someone else did it for him. The fact you had to explain that to him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The suggestion is that someone else did it for him.Probably phoned the pope again and asked him to do it for him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightswoodBear Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Drew Brees said: Probably phoned the pope again and asked him to do it for him Foned The Pope? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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