Jacksgranda Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ross. said: Did HMRC force Rangers to incorrectly use EBTs? Did HMRC force Rangers to incorrectly use DOS's? Did HMRC force Rangers to spend every penny they raised in transfer fees on new players instead of paying off debts that were accruing? Did HMRC force the Scottish press to portray Craig Whyte as a billionaire? Did HMRC force Craig Whyte to not pay VAT and PAYE while running ruining the club? Did HMRC force Rangers fans to stick their fingers in their ears and cover their eyes and ignore the mountains of evidence that was being thrown at them left right and centre of all of the above? There you go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Ross. said: Did HMRC force Rangers to incorrectly use EBTs? Did HMRC force Rangers to incorrectly use DOS's? Did HMRC force Rangers to spend every penny they raised in transfer fees on new players instead of paying off debts that were accruing? Did HMRC force the Scottish press to portray Craig Whyte as a billionaire? Did HMRC force Craig Whyte to not pay VAT and PAYE while running the club? Did HMRC force Rangers fans to stick their fingers in their ears and cover their eyes and ignore the mountains of evidence that was being thrown at them left right and centre of all of the above? Straight from the RTC site, very good. The only thing I'm interested in is HMRC getting their figures wrong and wrongly denying a cva, not really interested in your attempts at muddying the waters. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, bennett said: wrongly denying a cva Wrongly denying a CVA? What does the 'V' in CVA stand for, and under what circumstances would it be morally wrong for a creditor to decide not to Voluntarily accept one instead of, say, making the debtors pay their bills? Should the HMRC accept CVA arrangements for every company that tries, and fails, to fiddle their taxes, or are there other criteria involved? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ross. Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 38 minutes ago, bennett said: Straight from the RTC site, very good. The only thing I'm interested in is HMRC getting their figures wrong and wrongly denying a cva, not really interested in your attempts at muddying the waters. Part of me really wishes that is what caused the implosion. It would be so much funnier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep62 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 See STV News still perpetuating the myth about the old Rangers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddie06smfc Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 It seems like this revelation is only making it harder for Rangers fans to take what has happened. Glorious. It would make for much more hilarity if the banter years were all for nothing however the club was only heading one way regardless of HMRC pushing the wrong button on their calculator or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Some belters on twitter tonight....“Does this mean we come out of liquidation”“We want our £50M back”ThickAsf**k 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep62 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, G-MAN said: Some belters on twitter tonight.... “Does this mean we come out of liquidation” “We want our £50M back” Thick As f**k Think the inbreeding has a lot to do with it Edited November 14, 2019 by Sheep62 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: Why do these people kid on that they're outraged by this? They're absolutely desperate for there to have been some sort of government conspiracy to bring down Rangers. The idea that they were just a terribly run business that overspent to achieve unattainable goals just doesn't sound as grand does it? Oddly enough we have an almost eight year old thread with almost a quarter of a million posts and the general consensus from the P&B Bears is that we were a fiscal basketcase who overreached ourselves, mostly through hubris, and were the architects of our own demise. I know you take a keen interest in matters Rangers so I'm struggling to see how you reach that conclusion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Oh, Kincy. The vast majority of **** on here gave up years ago - even most thickos get fed up being objects of ridicule eventually. Outside of the regular reincarnations of AWRA and the loony cabbie and sundry disposabigots we're basically left with you and Bennett. What do you reckon that says about you, staunch defenders of the cause or what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TavTastic Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Oh, Kincy. The vast majority of **** on here gave up years ago - even most thickos get fed up being objects of ridicule eventually. Outside of the regular reincarnations of AWRA and the loony cabbie and sundry disposabigots we're basically left with you and Bennett. What do you reckon that says about you, staunch defenders of the cause or what? Absolute word salad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 44 minutes ago, G-MAN said: Some belters on twitter tonight.... “Does this mean we come out of liquidation” “We want our £50M back” Thick As f**k You don't appear to be too happy mate, no need to lash out... not usually your style. 4 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Oh, Kincy. The vast majority of **** on here gave up years ago - even most thickos get fed up being objects of ridicule eventually. Outside of the regular reincarnations of AWRA and the loony cabbie and sundry disposabigots we're basically left with you and Bennett. What do you reckon that says about you, staunch defenders of the cause or what? Someones broken his restraining order.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Absolute word salad. ^^^^ Gutted he didn’t merit a mention. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snifter Pee Rot Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) Massive fake news story generated by some currant dumb. Watched STV segment, Rangers were "sent down to bottom of the leagues" trumpeted the clown. Total denial about the fact they died and a new club was allowed (illegally) into the structure., nothing to do with Rangers (RIP). Edited November 14, 2019 by Snifter Pee Rot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) Alright, I'll be honest. I'd be sorry to hear Rangers had been overcharged by HMRC. I think many of those saying it would be funny because it would mean it all happened for no good reason, are probably kidding themselves. I'd be sorry because I dislike Rangers and want them to be as guilty as possible. I've got some questions though: If as Ross claims (forgive my ignorance here) HMRC are reducing the bill because it won't be collected anyway, how does that benefit HMRC? I don't really understand the argument there. Also, how big and how significant is the discrepancy between the bill sent, and the one now being seen as apparently appropriate? I'm guessing the case is that the smaller bill would not have compelled Murray to sell the club to any passing crook? How small would the bill have needed to be for Murray to have behaved less desperately? In truth, I've never been too hung up on continuation. The bigger issue for me was always to do with trophy stripping for deliberately providing false information when registering dozens of players over hundreds of matches. That was never satisfactorily resolved and today's caper has no bearing on it. Finally, why the Hell are we discussing this in here? To the BRALT everyone... Edited November 14, 2019 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I've got some questions though: If as Ross claims (forgive my ignorance here) HMRC are reducing the bill because it won't be collected anyway, how does that benefit HMRC? I don't really understand the argument there. The portion of the bill they allegedly 'overcharged' is a part of the bill that was subject of a legal dispute. The benefit of the 'reduced bill' is HMRC not spending real money on legal fees in order to find out whether the amount they're not getting is the big amount they originally claimed, or the smaller amount that Rangers(RIP) claimed it was. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aim Here said: The portion of the bill they allegedly 'overcharged' is a part of the bill that was subject of a legal dispute. The benefit of the 'reduced bill' is HMRC not spending real money on legal fees in order to find out whether the amount they're not getting is the big amount they originally claimed, or the smaller amount that Rangers(RIP) claimed it was. Ok, that makes sense. Has the legal dispute arisen because there's pressure to review how much individuals retrospectively owe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 HMRC's amended bill is still £68.3M as communicated by Rangers' liquidators, BDO. I've no idea where this figure of £20M comes from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Ok, that makes sense. Has the legal dispute arisen because there's pressure to review how much individuals retrospectively owe? If I understand correctly, the dispute was always there. It's just that liquidation takes time and it's only now that the smouldering remains of Rangers are being divvied up. The liquidator has to work out what percentage of the pennies go to each creditor and it costs more for HMRC to fight a court battle over whether they're owed 60% or 40% of Rangers remaining assets (£3.50 in loose change, one box of Mark Hateley calendars dated 1994 and half a bag of Haribo) than they'll win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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