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I reckon St Mirren will be a different proposition in the new season.

Essentially there was two St Mirren's last season. Ian Murray's St Mirren, which had relegation form, and Alex Rae's St Mirren which had promotion playoff form. We got half of a season of each and thus ended up in mid table obscurity.

Now we are going into a full season of Alex Rae's stewardship with a clearly stronger squad than we had last year, we should be relatively confident of a top 4 berth.

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Yeah think St Mirren will get play-offs, got quite a few of the older players ex spl

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Thought with the signings happening it would be good to put up your teams squad lists and update them in here.  Could be pinned maybe?

 

Ayr United:

 

Goalkeepers

Greg Fleming

Jordan Hart

Lyle Avci (u20)

Defenders

Nicky Devlin

Paddy Boyle

Peter Murphy

Michael Rose

Darryl Meggat

Craig McCracken (u20)

 

Midfielders

Robbie Crawford

Brian Gilmour

Jamie Adams

Paul Cairney

Ross Docherty

Michael Donald

Mick Wardope (u20)

Craig McGuffie (u20)

Leon Murphy (u20)

Strikers

Alan Forrest 

Sean McKenzie (u20)

 

 

Updated with all our new signings.  Rumours that Nisbet and McKenzie have been let go, but nothing confirmed yet.

 

ETA - Nizzy is away.

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Essentially there was two St Mirren's last season. Ian Murray's St Mirren, which had relegation form, and Alex Rae's St Mirren which had promotion playoff form. We got half of a season of each and thus ended up in mid table obscurity.

Now we are going into a full season of Alex Rae's stewardship with a clearly stronger squad than we had last year, we should be relatively confident of a top 4 berth.

Let's calm down a bit here. You never at any point had promotion or playoff form. You did much better second half of the season and probably finished the season as the best of the rest. Certainly in better form than ourselves and Morton. Apart from Hibs awful run towards the back end of the season though your form wasn't better than any of the clubs who went into the playoffs.

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Let's calm down a bit here. You never at any point had promotion or playoff form. You did much better second half of the season and probably finished the season as the best of the rest. Certainly in better form than ourselves and Morton. Apart from Hibs awful run towards the back end of the season though your form wasn't better than any of the clubs who went into the playoffs.

If the league table had started on the day of Alex Rae's first game in charge we would have finished fourth. We were the fourth best team in the league under his management.

Fourth is in the playoffs. Struggling to see how you can say that's not promotion playoff form.

As for having better form than yourself, you're certainly right there. We were 10 points below you when Rae was appointed and finished above you.

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If the league table had started on the day of Alex Rae's first game in charge we would have finished fourth. We were the fourth best team in the league under his management.

Fourth is in the playoffs. Struggling to see how you can say that's not promotion playoff form.

As for having better form than yourself, you're certainly right there. We were 10 points below you when Rae was appointed and finished above you.

Which one of the top four were you above in this table then? Do you have a link to it?

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Hibs I would think.

I would guess so but for all the slapstick comedy of Hibs late season run last season it's a pretty big stretch to suggest in reality that St Mirren were better than them after Rae arrived. Hibs were still a much better side. St Mirren are well placed this season. Rae looks to have recruited well and they should be more like the team we expected to see last season. Raith are likely to have gone backwards and Dundee United are a bit of a mystery at the moment. It's entirely reasonable that St Mirren fans are optimistic from last season's finish. However, last season's form even under Rae wasn't really good enough to be playoff form and Hibs comedy run is all that's allowing that statistical anomaly.

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Which one of the top four were you above in this table then? Do you have a link to it?

Hibs. Can't find the link now but if memory serves me correctly we got one point more than them since Rae's appointment, which is promotion playoff form.

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I would guess so but for all the slapstick comedy of Hibs late season run last season it's a pretty big stretch to suggest in reality that St Mirren were better than them after Rae arrived. Hibs were still a much better side. St Mirren are well placed this season. Rae looks to have recruited well and they should be more like the team we expected to see last season. Raith are likely to have gone backwards and Dundee United are a bit of a mystery at the moment. It's entirely reasonable that St Mirren fans are optimistic from last season's finish. However, last season's form even under Rae wasn't really good enough to be playoff form and Hibs comedy run is all that's allowing that statistical anomaly.

Well playoff form doesn't necessarily have to be good form. Fourth is mid table in a shite league, it's hardly something to crow about, but it gets you in the playoffs. You don't have to be a good side or be in particularly good form to be in promotion playoff form.

The 'statistical anomaly' of Hibs didn't affect Morton, QOTS or Dumbarton. All of whom were better than us under Murray and worse than us under Rae.

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Well playoff form doesn't necessarily have to be good form. Fourth is mid table in a shite league, it's hardly something to crow about, but it gets you in the playoffs. You don't have to be a good side or be in particularly good form to be in promotion playoff form.

The 'statistical anomaly' of Hibs didn't affect Morton, QOTS or Dumbarton. All of whom were better than us under Murray and worse than us under Rae.

Well yes but as none of those sides were playoff teams that is no relevance here.I already agreed you were the best of the rest. The fact is though that even under Rae the top four were better than you. Even if Hibs daft league run through Feb & March allows you to claim more points over a select period.

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Well yes but as none of those sides were playoff teams that is no relevance here.I already agreed you were the best of the rest. The fact is though that even under Rae the top four were better than you. Even if Hibs daft league run through Feb & March allows you to claim more points over a select period.

So Hibs were better than us, but got less points?

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So Hibs were better than us, but got less points?

Yes. Are you seriously suggesting you were better than Hibs at any stage last season?

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Yes. Are you seriously suggesting you were better than Hibs at any stage last season?

Well I'm not the league table from the end of December onwards is, maybe it's lying.

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Hibs. Can't find the link now but if memory serves me correctly we got one point more than them since Rae's appointment, which is promotion playoff form.

Don't think that is right.

Rae was appointed on 18 December which gave him 20 league games in charge. St.Mirren got 30 points from those games. Hibs got 32 points from their last 20 games.

Even if you just take the second half of the season, St.Mirren got 27 points and Hibs got 29 from the 18 games.

Edited to correct Hibs total to 32.

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None of you are better than Hibs. Diddies.

 

This will be Dundee United's first season in the Championship, where do Hibs stand?

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DAFC Squad 2016/17:

GK;

Sean Murdoch (2018)

David Hutton (2017)

Cammy Gill (2017)

Josh Dunn (2017)

DEF:

Ryan Williamson (2018)

Lewis Martin (2018)

Lee Ashcroft (2018)

Callum Fordyce (August 2016°)

Ben Richards-Everton (2017)

Jason Talbot (2017)

Stuart Morrison (2018)

Reece Duncan (2017)

MID:

Michael Paton (2017)

David Hopkirk (2018) ***

Joe Cardle (2018) ***

Paul McMullan (on loan from Celtic until the end of the season) ***

Andy Geggan (2017°°) *

Lewis Spence (2017)

Nathaniel Wedderburn (2017°°) *

Rhys McCabe (2017)

Scott Lochead (December 2016)

Robbie Crawford (2017)

Jonathan Galloway (2017)

Evan Horne (2017)

Brandon Luke (2018)

Conner Duthie (2017)

ST:

Michael Moffat (2017)

Gavin Reilly (On loan from Hearts until the end of the season)

Ciaran Lafferty (December 2016)

James Thomas (December 2016)

Callum Smith (2018)

All deals run until May 31st of 2017 or 2018 unless specified.

Players in italics are U20 players who are back up to the first team.

° 9 month extension until May 2017 if he can prove his fitness.

°° one year option available come May 2017.

* indicates player can play in a defensive position if required.

*** indicates player can play up front as a secondary position.

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