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19 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

I'm hoping to have a rating system that you can transfer to look at replacements, if that makes sense. 

An example was just looking for potential Wotherspoon replacements further down the line. This guy, with the assist, popped up as the most similar.

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Free this Summer from Scunthorpe. Played on both flanks and central, and similar per90 figures for everything except aerial duels, and slightly worse defensively.

Its nothing more than me just fucking about to see what comes out just now, tbh.

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3 minutes ago, Valentino Bolognese said:

Would it not then be more sensible not to try to compare the whole team, and have different criteria that relates to the position that they play in?

Sounds like you're trying something similar but, but does using the eye test to build the model not hard wire in the bias you're trying to avoid?

I've got individual totals for each section, so can compare players by how good they are defensively etc., I'm just struggling to tie it all together as defenders do far, far, more per game than centre forwards.

I think the figures should really just back up what you're seeing, for the most part, so I'm wary of believing a system that told me Ralston was our best player, and Duffy was better than Gordon or McCart. 

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40 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

I'm hoping to have a rating system that you can transfer to look at replacements, if that makes sense. 

First way I had it, I had Ralston as our best player last season, which clearly isn't right. It came about because defenders are doing multiple times more "actions" that strikers. So I'm using my eye test to, roughly, predict where I think players should be, and then try and get there with it. I'm not expecting it to be perfect, but I'm at a stage this morning where I've got Ralston lower rated than Tanser, Duffy as our worst CB, and MOH is no longer in the top 5 performers for last season.

McCart plays about 60 passes a game, can make about 15 interceptions and win 30 headers. May scores 2 goals, completes 9 passes, and wins 1 header. Its hard to get a balance that, fairly, shows May should be rated higher this season.

It's fair enough having Ralston placed high purely based on stats.

That's why teams use stats as a part of the process and not as the main tool.

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1 hour ago, Valentino Bolognese said:

ETA I guess what I'm asking ... are the numbers saying that Ralston was actually a decent enough player, but that was overlooked because he didn't 'look good' to fans?

The same system also has Duffy better than Gordon, which was another massive red flag.

I'd say Tanser, Craig and MOH probably are the biggest surprises out, personally, in terms of how high they rank.

Its relevant today, but McCann is 2nd bottom in terms of players this season who had played over 800 mins.

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42 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said:

Shock Spoony is following up a good performance with a distinctly average one. 

Honestly if he passes quicker or more decisively on many occasions today he is man if the match.  Absolute text book of why people get so fucking angry at him

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2 minutes ago, Shaggy Jenkins said:

Honestly if he passes quicker or more decisively on many occasions today he is man if the match.  Absolute text book of why people get so fucking angry at him

Just been same the same thing in the match thread and been told I'm talking shite "cause he got in good positions"

The difference between winning and not today was the final third decision making.

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1 minute ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said:

Just been same the same thing in the match thread and been told I'm talking shite "cause he got in good positions"

The difference between winning and not today was the final third decision makin

Spot on. Good positions much like good intentions don't pay the mortgage

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May scores that early chance and I reckon we would have taken them apart. Like plenty other games this season, final ball always the wrong one. Cannot really complain too much as dominated for most parts.

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2 minutes ago, Shaggy Jenkins said:

Though that was Conway s best game for us today however, him and Danny down that side looked very good 

Thought the opposite tbh, in terms of the right hand side. The vast majority of the ball was down their side, and the end result was almost always a cross to nobody and/or play slowed entirely down.

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7 minutes ago, perthsaint1977 said:

May scores that early chance and I reckon we would have taken them apart. Like plenty other games this season, final ball always the wrong one. Cannot really complain too much as dominated for most parts.

That seems to be the difference in front of goal for us. Very confidence driven. If we get the first goal we'll be hard to catch but the opposite if we lose the first goal though. 

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1 hour ago, perthsaint1977 said:

May scores that early chance and I reckon we would have taken them apart. Like plenty other games this season, final ball always the wrong one. Cannot really complain too much as dominated for most parts.

Should’ve gone across the keeper, and Jason should hit the target too  

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@Mr Positive, sometimes. tried it the way of doing it per positon, and this how the rankings come out this season...

 *caveat that players who have played under 700 mins will have unreliable results, as seen for Bryson, simply because every p90 action is so high. Doesn't include todays game.

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A totally unbiased look at how the players are playing in their respective positions. 

Kerr wins less headers p90, less defensive duels p90, and looses the ball more in his own half p90, which means he doesn't rank high as a CB.

Bryson is off the charts due to a complete lack of minutes, interested to see if he drops right down after today.

McCart and Craig have, consistently, come up as our two best players in almost every single go at this that hasn't been personally adjusted.

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