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He had horrific errors of judgement early on in his career but matured into one of the most Important individuals at this club in its finest period.

Ando, we salute you.

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3 hours ago, tree house tam said:

Agree with the rest of your post apart from this ^^^, Ando is out because he's past it at this level. He's now even a bomb scare as a back up player. He needs to be playing every week and league 1 is probably a level he'll compete in and hopefully excel.  Fairwell Ando, thanks for that goal.

It's provocative Tam. Gets the people going.

Wasn't being entirely serious, though I don't think we should ever underestimate how formidable a defensive unit we've had over the past decade or so, with Ando being a massive part of that.  But I'm not calling for him to be selected in our starting eleven!

I'm still optimistic that Tommy can sort our young defence into a good unit, as there's individual talent there.  Also, last season we were struggling a bit defensively then nailed 6 clean sheets in a row and began to look the part, so it can take time.

However, no matter how many attributes, and how much of a baller any defender is, first and foremost he's there to stop the opposition from getting chances, and that should be the primary criteria he's judged on.  That's where I think defenders like Wright and Ando are/ were underrated, because they don't fit the mould of what folk feel the modern centre back should be.

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19 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

LThat's where I think defenders like Wright and Ando are/ were underrated, because they don't fit the mould of what folk feel the modern centre back should be.

They need to be good on the ball now, I'd be surprised if most CBs in the league dont top the "time in possession" stats for their clubs.

Anderson was a great defender, and a great person, but his time here was over last season, never mind this year. Kerr and Gordon, while still raw, deserve their chance to play and have surpassed him, Shaughnessy had too. 

I'm not convinced Vihmann is a better option, but being less worse than someone shouldn't be a criteria for keeping someone around.

Ideally we use the Anderson/McMillan freed up funds to bring in someone capable of playing CB well at this level.

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59 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

They need to be good on the ball now, I'd be surprised if most CBs in the league dont top the "time in possession" stats for their clubs.

Anderson was a great defender, and a great person, but his time here was over last season, never mind this year. Kerr and Gordon, while still raw, deserve their chance to play and have surpassed him, Shaughnessy had too. 

I'm not convinced Vihmann is a better option, but being less worse than someone shouldn't be a criteria for keeping someone around.

Ideally we use the Anderson/McMillan freed up funds to bring in someone capable of playing CB well at this level.

Anderson/McMillan/ McClean

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2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

They need to be good on the ball now, I'd be surprised if most CBs in the league dont top the "time in possession" stats for their clubs.

It's no different from how its always been in Scotland.  We don't play it on the ground or build from the back anymore now than we did 20 or 30 years ago.

Ideally yes, a centre half has the full package; a strong defender with good positional sense, great in the tackle, at making  interceptions and blocks, dominant in the air, good communicator, physically strong with good pace, provide a goal threat from set pieces, comfortable in possession and can build play with a good range of passing.

Theres your Virgil Van Dijk right there.

Unfortunately, you're not always (ever?) going to get all of that at our level, so you maybe have to prioritise. And being good at the defensive duties should be the top priority.

Scottish football has had a fair few imposters playing centre half over the years, players who loved to spray passes about and looked the part, but weren't that keen or good on the defensive duties.

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6 hours ago, PauloPerth said:

It's no different from how its always been in Scotland.  We don't play it on the ground or build from the back anymore now than we did 20 or 30 years ago.

Ideally yes, a centre half has the full package; a strong defender with good positional sense, great in the tackle, at making  interceptions and blocks, dominant in the air, good communicator, physically strong with good pace, provide a goal threat from set pieces, comfortable in possession and can build play with a good range of passing.

Theres your Virgil Van Dijk right there.

Unfortunately, you're not always (ever?) going to get all of that at our level, so you maybe have to prioritise. And being good at the defensive duties should be the top priority.

Scottish football has had a fair few imposters playing centre half over the years, players who loved to spray passes about and looked the part, but weren't that keen or good on the defensive duties.

All fair points tbh. Cant argue.

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17 hours ago, steviemay17 said:

It's a shame that the final memory of Ando will be that attempted tackle against Ross County where he was so slow and mis-timed he's not even able to bring the player down

Yeah. Its almost like that Simpsons episode where lisa breaks Ralph wiggams heart.......if you slow it down you can see the moment on his face where he realizes top flight football has ended for him.

Great player for us.

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55 minutes ago, steviemay17 said:

Where is this left-back?

You should know by now you can not rush these things :) 

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1 hour ago, steviemay17 said:

Where is this left-back?

Get him in training with the lads, hold up him signing till our games start again, couple of weeks wages saved.  It's the St Johnstone way. 

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BBC states:

Holt's time with Rangers is over.

Holt's Rangers contract ends next summer and he realised he was not part of manager Steven Gerrard's plans. The 26-year-old midfielder, who has not played for the Ibrox side since May 2018, will spend the season in Perth.

"I think it is the best option for myself and my playing career, so it was something I was eager to do," he said.

Holt's first impression when joining St Johnstone was that there are a lot of younger players - and, although only 26 himself, he sees himself as someone who can bring experience to the club and become a leader in the team.

Saints manager Tommy Wright echoed that and stressed the importance of having players with experience at the top level.

"He has given the place a lift already with the quality he has shown in training," Wright said. "I'm really pleased.

"He can use the ball well, has good mobility and can nick a goal or two.

"I think it is important you get as many players that know the league as possible and Jason certainly does."

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2 hours ago, Templar said:

BBC states:

Holt's time with Rangers is over.

Holt's Rangers contract ends next summer and he realised he was not part of manager Steven Gerrard's plans. The 26-year-old midfielder, who has not played for the Ibrox side since May 2018, will spend the season in Perth.

"I think it is the best option for myself and my playing career, so it was something I was eager to do," he said.

Holt's first impression when joining St Johnstone was that there are a lot of younger players - and, although only 26 himself, he sees himself as someone who can bring experience to the club and become a leader in the team.

Saints manager Tommy Wright echoed that and stressed the importance of having players with experience at the top level.

"He has given the place a lift already with the quality he has shown in training," Wright said. "I'm really pleased.

"He can use the ball well, has good mobility and can nick a goal or two.

"I think it is important you get as many players that know the league as possible and Jason certainly does."

This is an absolute nothing 'puff piece' story. There's nothing in it that wasn't known, or said when he signed in the first place. 

It's literally just been published to appease one half of the overall arse, so they can type out how highly an ex-player regards The Rangers. 

That, and absolutely nobody is interested in the Scotland game tonight because we're shite and have nae chance of qualifying from the group.

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25 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said:

Saints playing United in a bounce game today. 

Is the game behind closed doors? It would be interesting to see our formation and starting line up. I believe it will not be too far away from Saturdays line up.

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29 minutes ago, Templar said:

 It would be interesting to see our formation and starting line up.

Would it really though? Not for me, couldn't give a toss about a bounce game to keep the players ticking over.

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1 hour ago, Templar said:

Is the game behind closed doors? It would be interesting to see our formation and starting line up. I believe it will not be too far away from Saturdays line up.

Was in St. Andrews I believe. United train there.

No idea who was playing. 

Edited by Mr Positive, sometimes.

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Steven Anderson played in the Oatmeal Wafer Irn Bru challenge cup for half and hour and was superb. Was organising the defence the second he got on.

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Heard from someone who watched Atherton Coleries vs United of Manchester in the FA cup

super clive smith playing centre-back.... apparently utter sh*te

shouldv'e kept him over Comrie

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1 hour ago, SometimesShitRaith said:

Steven Anderson played in the Oatmeal Wafer Irn Bru challenge cup for half and hour and was superb. Was organising the defence the second he got on.

He is a good player who is now a bit short of what is required in the premier, but still has enough left for another couple of years or so in the lower leagues.He should also pop in a few goals for you as well 

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