FrankChickens1 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, The Real Saints said: Classic Steve Brown. I’m going to try out that tactic when I do my weekly food shop tomorrow. £1.35 for a two litre bottle of full-fat milk? I don’t think so, mate. I value it at approximately 70p. Loathe to defend broon but not really sure that works tbh. If the milk was going out of date in the next six hours and you offered them 70p they'd probably take it rather than lose it on a free. If they sit there refusing to consider its worth anything less than £1.35 and then have to chuck it in the bin that's on them. Edited August 30, 2019 by FrankChickens1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviemay17 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 How have we gone from celebrating the greatest return of all time to comparing him to some potentially sour milk in about 8 hours? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankChickens1 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, steviemay17 said: How have we gone from celebrating the greatest return of all time to comparing him to some potentially sour milk in about 8 hours? Is MacLean over the line? Must have missed that announcement Edited August 30, 2019 by FrankChickens1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Loathe to defend broon but not really sure that works tbh. If the milk was going out of date in the next six hours and you offered them 70p they'd probably take it rather than lose it on a free. If they sit there refusing to consider its worth anything less than £1.35 and then have to chuck it in the bin that's on them. Ah yes, I get what you’re saying. I was interpreting - probably incorrectly - ‘a player’s value is only what clubs are willing to pay for him’ as a general statement rather than being specifically about Stevie May. He was indeed a bottle of milk which was fast approaching its ‘use by’ date. But I’d consider him to be worth at least 90p when you bear in mind that he still had a relatively decent chunk of his contract remaining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, steviemay17 said: How have we gone from celebrating the greatest return of all time to comparing him to some potentially sour milk in about 8 hours? A fair analogy IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Huck Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Welcome back!! The cream always rises to the top!! Edited August 30, 2019 by Saint Huck Trouble uploading... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 @PauloPerth Thanks for the excellent and detailed report from last nights meeting. There were a few interesting topics discussed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 hours ago, PauloPerth said: He was asked about trying to tie up Kennedy and Wright now, he said we will be trying but Kennedys agent will be trying to tout him round the bigger clubs so will hardly listen to us just now, and when asked why we didn't try to extend Drey in the summer, similar, his agent wouldn't even have talked to Saints, and if he finds form clubs down south will be all over him. I suppose this is to be expected from modern day players. If they have a good season as I believe they will.,both are away after this season for free,. Is this a dilemma for Tommy? He plays, Wright and Kennedy with Swanson and MOH on the bench. He then loses Kennedy and Wright and is left with two disenchanted players in Swanson and MOH. I am not suggesting that he does not play his best players far from it he must put out the best possible team. I believe Kennedy is our best left winger much better than Swanson. I am thinking of the Wright v MOH right wing competition. In my opinion there is not much difference between them so who do you play? The player who will leave or the player who will be here for another year. There will those who are of the opinion do not play Wright and he will leave no matter what. As I said a dilemma for Tommy. (a good one) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 The support seem to flip-flop when it comes to the need tor a central midfielder but the fact is if we don't have the money then we can't possibly go into the duration with just two full backs, one for each side. Stuff about playing Wotherspoon or Craig there is desperate, it's a specialised role. Clearly I have sympathy over the Foster situation but are we really at the stage where it's going to come down to the last day as to whether we replace him and we might not even get a left back? If folk can stop gorging on herring, surely that is concerning? The chairman can say it is the manager's call to not bring in players but that contradicts what TW said about needing a left back around the time of the trip to Ireland, then not getting one. How are we meant to know who to believe as clearly someone isn't telling the whole truth. Saturday past was a very good performance but it came because we had possession of the ball and could get our good players in possession in good areas. A 19-year-old was a big part of that but it's unreasonable to expect him to be able to produce that every week, especially in what isn't his favoured role, so by default is one he is still learning. It'll be a shame if there are matches where we can't provide the platform for Kennedy, O'Halloran etc... to thrive. No doubt that's all viewed as more moaning/negativity but the chairman can pass the buck onto the manager if he likes, our recruitment strategy still sucks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 [mention=52884]PauloPerth[/mention] Thanks for the excellent and detailed report from last nights meeting. There were a few interesting topics discussed. This. Cheers Paulo. Good memory! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, The Real Saints said: But I’d consider him to be worth at least 90p when you bear in mind that he still had a relatively decent chunk of his contract remaining. The length of his contract at Aberdeen shouldn't have increased his value to other clubs. He was nowhere near the first-team and that contract was effectively a two-year liability for Aberdeen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr Heliums said: The length of his contract at Aberdeen shouldn't have increased his value to other clubs. He was nowhere near the first-team and that contract was effectively a two-year liability for Aberdeen. They're on about May leaving us, I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Radford said: The support seem to flip-flop when it comes to the need tor a central midfielder but the fact is if we don't have the money then we can't possibly go into the duration with just two full backs, one for each side. Stuff about playing Wotherspoon or Craig there is desperate, it's a specialised role. Clearly I have sympathy over the Foster situation but are we really at the stage where it's going to come down to the last day as to whether we replace him and we might not even get a left back? If folk can stop gorging on herring, surely that is concerning? The chairman can say it is the manager's call to not bring in players but that contradicts what TW said about needing a left back around the time of the trip to Ireland, then not getting one. How are we meant to know who to believe as clearly someone isn't telling the whole truth. Saturday past was a very good performance but it came because we had possession of the ball and could get our good players in possession in good areas. A 19-year-old was a big part of that but it's unreasonable to expect him to be able to produce that every week, especially in what isn't his favoured role, so by default is one he is still learning. It'll be a shame if there are matches where we can't provide the platform for Kennedy, O'Halloran etc... to thrive. No doubt that's all viewed as more moaning/negativity but the chairman can pass the buck onto the manager if he likes, our recruitment strategy still sucks. Agree signing so late is far from ideal, but I think when your stated objective is to go after quality rather than quantity yet your budget is very limited, then it becomes a difficult one to solve. I don’t think the manager wants his players brought in so late either, but it sounds as though players’ agents are rarely happy to move straight away when they can gather offers and play them off against one another over the summer. Given the references to agents messing clubs around, I’m not sure it’s intended to be left so late. It was discussed how frustrating this window has been. Far from ideal when you’re out the league cup and a poor start to season, which was mentioned. Perceive this as happy clapping, munching on herring all you want, but at the end of the day looking at positives, I’d rather have our attacking options than every other club in Scotland outside the OF. So swings and roundabouts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 [mention=52884]PauloPerth[/mention] didn’t SB also suggest that by the January window a players value on a contract ending in May is next to nothing? Also no point trying to extend Drey’s/Matty’s contract early because the agent would simply not engage. I was somewhat bemused at the almost tangible anger from the guy talking about not giving Rangers three stands and their fans treatment of catholics at the club. No mention of Celtic from him. I don’t think he came across well. It left me with the clear impression that many people have their own agenda. As I said last night there is idealism and morals, and then there’s the harsh reality that we’re close to sub 2000 crowds at times. Difficult position to be in to decide to accept the OF money and alienate some supporters, or to turn it away. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, andrewh said: fans treatment of catholics at the club ?? eh ?? What was he on about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) No doubting the quality of our attacking options in relation to our budget, but I don't think that's going to be fully realised without a ball playing central midfielder being brought in.. We saw in the second half of last season - when all but May and Wright were here/available - that we struggled to get these players on the ball with the options we currently have in midfield. McCann has stepped up to the mark in the league games I've seen so far but I don't think we can rely on that being the case every week at this stage of his career - Millar only became as reliable as he was in his mid to late 20s. It obviously doesn't help that we're currently stuck with 2 players who definitely wont play - a 16 year old was on the bench ahead of Anderson last week - and another who I think the manager would rather be without who are still hanging around. I suppose that's the risk you take when giving players longer than a year's contract but they have hindered our ability to bring in other players this summer, without a doubt. If we can only bring in two players, I'd probably go with a right back who can cover at left back and take a gamble that we wont be without 2 full backs at once until January and a central midfielder. Not an easy call though and I can see why the manager has decided 2 full backs coming in is the more pressing issue. Edited August 30, 2019 by Kyle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 ?? eh ?? What was he on about?He was visibly angry and upset at the prospect. I think he was alluding to vitriol he claims is directed from Rangers fans towards catholic players at our club, and that such people shouldn’t be allowed to take over our stadium on a match day.I have to say, much as I dislike the OF, that his demeanour and near tangible anger was almost as unpleasant as the behaviour he was so strongly opposing. I’m not criticising the man, I’d like to have been able to speak to him and try to understand why he feels so strongly and why he only spoke about Rangers fans, not Celtic. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, andrewh said: He was visibly angry and upset at the prospect. I think he was alluding to vitriol he claims is directed from Rangers fans towards catholic players at our club, and that such people shouldn’t be allowed to take over our stadium on a match day. I have to say, much as I dislike the OF, that his demeanour and near tangible anger was almost as unpleasant as the behaviour he was so strongly opposing. I’m not criticising the man, I’d like to have been able to speak to him and try to understand why he feels so strongly and why he only spoke about Rangers fans, not Celtic. Thanks for clarifying. I can't comment as to which side of the cheeks are worse when it comes to bigotry, both are disgusting and drive a lot of sensible fans away. We're in a country where you get lower crowds, not higher, when you play the 2 'best' teams.* Says it all. FWIW though under no circumstances could I ever condone giving them more of the ground, even if they were paying a grand a ticket. We're not in financial trouble and we're a club that's about the community and the football. Turning us into a mini Ibrox or Parkhead and giving them 3 or 4 extra home games a year can GTF. Bridge too far for me. *edit You know what, I think I might have just made that up. But the home crowds feel smaller, maybe that's in relation to the away fans or it's the OF fans that sneak in the main stand. Edited August 30, 2019 by Valentino Bolognese 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJSaint Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Agree signing so late is far from ideal, but I think when your stated objective is to go after quality rather than quantity yet your budget is very limited, then it becomes a difficult one to solve. I don’t think the manager wants his players brought in so late either, but it sounds as though players’ agents are rarely happy to move straight away when they can gather offers and play them off against one another over the summer. Given the references to agents messing clubs around, I’m not sure it’s intended to be left so late. It was discussed how frustrating this window has been. Far from ideal when you’re out the league cup and a poor start to season, which was mentioned. Perceive this as happy clapping, munching on herring all you want, but at the end of the day looking at positives, I’d rather have our attacking options than every other club in Scotland outside the OF. So swings and roundabouts. I think the kind of players we are looking at and the budget we have means we'll always be waiting until late in the window to get business done. Like it or lump it Saints are unlikely to be the number one choice for any player or agent so to get players in early they need to be pretty desperate for a club, either coming from down the leagues and looking for a step up or someone out of favour or form that just wants stability fast. I would imagine that for an old school business man like Brown as well the idea of paying the agents to make things happen is pretty galling and we may be being left behind a little compare to other clubs by having some principles here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 What was this stuff last night about a loan to Arbroath? Hendry? McClean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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