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I know it’s been mentioned before, but I do wonder if Tommy Wright has any regrets about chucking it when he did.

I mean, what you’re saying about where we are in terms of a brilliant starting position is kind of where I thought we were at the end of 2019-20 when TW quit after the form we were showing in the second half of that season. A young team signed up for a few years showing great promise. Plus the added bonus of Hendry banging in the goals at that time.

Obviously Callum Davidson has had a massive impact and the amount of success we’ve enjoyed so quickly is tremendous, but it’s not far off the team Tommy put together. 

Same keeper, back 3 and he signed Rooney to play opppsite side from Tanser.  McCann, Craig  or Davidson in centre mid with Spoony just ahead, Hendry up front with May whereas now it’s Kane and May (or Melamed).

He surely must sit watching thinking its basically his team and it could have been him!

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34 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

I know it’s been mentioned before, but I do wonder if Tommy Wright has any regrets about chucking it when he did.

I mean, what you’re saying about where we are in terms of a brilliant starting position is kind of where I thought we were at the end of 2019-20 when TW quit after the form we were showing in the second half of that season. A young team signed up for a few years showing great promise. Plus the added bonus of Hendry banging in the goals at that time.

Obviously Callum Davidson has had a massive impact and the amount of success we’ve enjoyed so quickly is tremendous, but it’s not far off the team Tommy put together. 

Same keeper, back 3 and he signed Rooney to play opppsite side from Tanser.  McCann, Craig  or Davidson in centre mid with Spoony just ahead, Hendry up front with May whereas now it’s Kane and May (or Melamed).

He surely must sit watching thinking its basically his team and it could have been him!

f**k him.

 

 

"The grass isn't always greener. I struggle to name a player that has left St Johnstone and gone on to better things"  said Tam Wright to myself while sat at the bar in the Foundry, Perth. 

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1 hour ago, PauloPerth said:

I know it’s been mentioned before, but I do wonder if Tommy Wright has any regrets about chucking it when he did.

I mean, what you’re saying about where we are in terms of a brilliant starting position is kind of where I thought we were at the end of 2019-20 when TW quit after the form we were showing in the second half of that season. A young team signed up for a few years showing great promise. Plus the added bonus of Hendry banging in the goals at that time.

Obviously Callum Davidson has had a massive impact and the amount of success we’ve enjoyed so quickly is tremendous, but it’s not far off the team Tommy put together. 

Same keeper, back 3 and he signed Rooney to play opppsite side from Tanser.  McCann, Craig  or Davidson in centre mid with Spoony just ahead, Hendry up front with May whereas now it’s Kane and May (or Melamed).

He surely must sit watching thinking its basically his team and it could have been him!

Don't care really. He's made his bed.  I 

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2 hours ago, PauloPerth said:

I know it’s been mentioned before, but I do wonder if Tommy Wright has any regrets about chucking it when he did.

I mean, what you’re saying about where we are in terms of a brilliant starting position is kind of where I thought we were at the end of 2019-20 when TW quit after the form we were showing in the second half of that season. A young team signed up for a few years showing great promise. Plus the added bonus of Hendry banging in the goals at that time.

Obviously Callum Davidson has had a massive impact and the amount of success we’ve enjoyed so quickly is tremendous, but it’s not far off the team Tommy put together. 

Same keeper, back 3 and he signed Rooney to play opppsite side from Tanser.  McCann, Craig  or Davidson in centre mid with Spoony just ahead, Hendry up front with May whereas now it’s Kane and May (or Melamed).

He surely must sit watching thinking its basically his team and it could have been him!

I don’t think we would be nearly as good without Callum.  Certainly don’t think we would have had the success

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2 hours ago, tree house tam said:

f**k him.

 

 

"The grass isn't always greener. I struggle to name a player that has left St Johnstone and gone on to better things"  said Tam Wright to myself while sat at the bar in the Foundry, Perth. 

 

1 hour ago, The Saintee said:

Don't care really. He's made his bed.  I 

Yes I wasn't really coming at it from a 'poor Tommy' angle, it's worked out great for us and something fresh was maybe what was needed.  Just musing that in moments of reflection he must sit and think he could have a team of ballers challenging for Europe instead of an ageing team that's staring a possible relegation in the face and needs a big overhaul in the summer.

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18 minutes ago, Bose said:

I don’t think we would be nearly as good without Callum.  Certainly don’t think we would have had the success

Agree. But the potential in the squad was certainly there.

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I think part of the reason he left was the availability of the NI job, of course when that fell through he was left with the option of waiting for a job in Scotland to become available.

Motherwell didn’t want him, Kilmarnock did. He was in a position of getting his name back out while he could or being forgotten.

We’ll find out soon if he made the right decision or not, but in hindsight it was the right decision for us to move on.

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44 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

 

Yes I wasn't really coming at it from a 'poor Tommy' angle, it's worked out great for us and something fresh was maybe what was needed.  Just musing that in moments of reflection he must sit and think he could have a team of ballers challenging for Europe instead of an ageing team that's staring a possible relegation in the face and needs a big overhaul in the summer.

He maybe has assurances from Killie that if he keeps them up then he'll get a decent budget. 

 

Be very, very interesting to see how he manages a potential overhaul of a squad.

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It was the right time for us all to part ways.

The Kilmarnock job wasn't the right one for him, just in terms of the position they were in and the state of the squad, but guess he was worried he'd struggle to get another top flight club of a decent size with Motherwell rejecting him.

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8 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

It was the right time for us all to part ways.

The Kilmarnock job wasn't the right one for him, just in terms of the position they were in and the state of the squad, but guess he was worried he'd struggle to get another top flight club of a decent size with Motherwell rejecting him.

I'd agree. Tommy Wright and St Johnstone parted ways at exactly the right time. There was a growing discontent amongst the fans regarding performances and the general feeling around the club and there was a danger that things were growing stale. Wright was more agitated and moany and I actually think the fans were getting fed up of his constant battling in the press with Brown and Robertson. 

Compare that in contract to Davidson who's quietly (perhaps too much so to begin with) gone about his business and job very efficiently and effectively. He's instilled an even better team ethic and playing style into a core squad, enhanced not only his, but also the players reputations and been a huge success. It's easy to reflect back and say we made the right call now; however it was a risk at the time and one which Brown and Robertson (yes I know!) deserve credit for. To move seamlessly into another successful season is testament to the club and the back room staff available. 

The irony is, if we'd been in the ground we'd actually be more discontented than before by virtue of our abysmal home goals tally. The good new is, whilst every man and the pundits can ask the question "what does Davidson do next," for him the answer is perfectly clear, find a way to score more than a single figure tally of home goals! Whilst we might not think of it as a good thing, it conversely could be, as I sense if Callum can sort that out then we'll be even more dangerous next year and I think he's ambitious enough to want to make it happen. 

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I wouldn't bad mouth any Saints manager since Billy fucking Stark. Connolly gets let off in my book because he was an absolute legend as a player. He was my Dad's favourite and I couldn't find it in myself to bad mouth him.
Every manager from Coyle onwards has been great for Saints as far as I am concerned. Yes, they've all had weak parts and/or wobbles but in the main they've all done a good job.
I will forever hold Tommy in high regard for what he did for Saints. However even I now think the change came at the right time. Callum has instilled a new belief into the players and got them playing as a cohesive unit.
The next challenge for Steve Brown will be to find the right successor - and that day may be sooner than we would like.

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52 minutes ago, The Marly said:

I wouldn't bad mouth any Saints manager since Billy fucking Stark. Connolly gets let off in my book because he was an absolute legend as a player. He was my Dad's favourite and I couldn't find it in myself to bad mouth him.
Every manager from Coyle onwards has been great for Saints as far as I am concerned. Yes, they've all had weak parts and/or wobbles but in the main they've all done a good job.
I will forever hold Tommy in high regard for what he did for Saints. However even I now think the change came at the right time. Callum has instilled a new belief into the players and got them playing as a cohesive unit.
The next challenge for Steve Brown will be to find the right successor - and that day may be sooner than we would like.

I even think some of the criticism aimed at Stark can sometimes be a bit harsh.  
 

He inherited a shambles of a squad that was never going to stay in the Premier League and then had two seasons in the first division that were always going to be difficult with the club making big financial losses and big budget cuts whilst trying to build a squad capable of competing with strong sides like Falkirk and ICT.

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Just seeing the name Stark makes me shudder. He’s getting no retrospective sympathy from me.

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2 hours ago, double deluxe said:

I even think some of the criticism aimed at Stark can sometimes be a bit harsh.  
 

He inherited a shambles of a squad that was never going to stay in the Premier League and then had two seasons in the first division that were always going to be difficult with the club making big financial losses and big budget cuts whilst trying to build a squad capable of competing with strong sides like Falkirk and ICT.

Stark was a reasonable enough coach but he really was Mogadon Man..He had no spark about him at all and just appeared to be going through the motions...When Coyle came in his personality instantly gave the when club a lift.

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2 minutes ago, Lang Toon Saintee said:

When Coyle came in his personality instantly gave the when club a lift.

He certainly had that. I spent like a day or two working for the club as part of work experience at school, and managed to get a bollocking from him, get the squad a bollocking from him, and almost accidentally walk in on him in the shower, which was just laughed off before he handed me a signed photo of the squad. Not a fancy photo mind you, just the cheap version they used to hand out free with the PA which had all the fixtures listed underneath the squad photo (I used to fill in the scores).

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I'm not sure Tommy will regret it in one sense – it was a decent time to leave Saints. I think he was struggling in his final season and he was clearly becoming bitter. At least he left without having his solid reputation tarnished. I think Kilmarnock is a decent fit for him. He was clearly never going to get an English Championship job, and most of the top 6 here think they're too good for him. Killie are pretty much as good as he can get, and if he keeps them up, another wee feather in his cap.

But I'm sure Tommy didn't expect his predecessor to match his own groundbreaking achievements  in his first season as manager, playing better football. I expect he was some regrets about that.

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1 hour ago, Lang Toon Saintee said:

He had no spark about him at all and just appeared to be going through the motions. When Coyle came in his personality instantly gave the when club a lift.

Spot on. We could have finished second or third in the First Division for 20 years and he'd have been satisfied with that. The squad that Clark had assembled was very poor but Stark arguably made it worse and guys like Ian Maxwell and Mark Reilly were just an embodiment of him. A complete contrast to the likes of Kevin James and Martin Hardie. 

I think just a year of Davidson shows why Wright never moved on from Saints. He once said that Brendan Rodgers told him he needed to develop a philosophy to attract interest, which TW (and supporters) scoffed at. But then you see the direction and drilling that CD has instilled in his team and it's clear why a bigger club would look at someone like him over TW. Wright's biggest asset was his man management, he was a leader of men. But if he can't tell a chairman how his team is going to play, why would they employ him? 

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and almost accidentally walk in on him in the shower


Ehhhh

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