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22 minutes ago, The Marly said:

Hope this means there was no positive tests.
Not that they managed to test the entire squad in record time.

Impossible to test the entire squad when there’s still four of them at home.

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4 who tested positive don’t need to be tested for 90 days apparently.


Aye exempt due to the antibodies or something.

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1 minute ago, The Real Saints said:

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It's always been the case I'm sure and isn't something new. Scotland gets that group stage for cup winners only if the winner of CL/UEL qualifies for CL through the league or winning the tournament. If they don't they then take up the final spot that would've went to where Scotland is in the coefficient placings

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2 minutes ago, ATLIS said:

It's always been the case I'm sure and isn't something new. Scotland gets that group stage for cup winners only if the winner of CL/UEL qualifies for CL through the league or winning the tournament. If they don't they then take up the final spot that would've went to where Scotland is in the coefficient placings

It’s previously been reported (and seemingly confirmed in all areas of the Scottish football media) that the winner of the cup would end up in the Europa League play-off round this year, getting dropped down to the Conference League group stages if defeated in that tie. That seems to be in doubt now.

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1 minute ago, The Real Saints said:

It’s previously been reported (and seemingly confirmed in all areas of the Scottish football media) that the winner of the cup would end up in the Europa League play-off round this year, getting dropped down to the Conference League group stages if defeated in that tie. That seems to be in doubt now.

Yeah, I'm sure that was still dependent on the winner of CL/UEL qualifying for CL through their league and the spot trickles down. I think it was just inaccurate reporting at the time based on a technicality 

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1 hour ago, ATLIS said:

Yeah, I'm sure that was still dependent on the winner of CL/UEL qualifying for CL through their league and the spot trickles down. I think it was just inaccurate reporting at the time based on a technicality 

Ah, I see. That's frustrating.

I've had a look at the Access List table (https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2021.html) and it would seem to suggest the following:

Lose cup = Conference league 2nd round qualifiers

Win cup and Chelsea lose CL = Europa League 3rd round qualifiers

Win cup and Chelsea win CL = Europa League play-offs, dropping down into Conference group stages if defeated

 

Someone please feel free to correct me if this is nonsense. I think that Chelsea finishing in the top 6 is probably a foregone conclusion, as is Villarreal failing to make the top six, hence why I've only included Chelsea's CL campaign in these scenarios.

Edited by The Real Saints

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1 hour ago, Dick Van Dyke said:

Are McCann, Gordon, Zander and MOH back in training before Saturday? 

Yes

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Would folk be happy with him staying?

Think if he's willing to play a similar role in the squad as this season then it wouldn't be the worst option. We lose something compared to Rooney, but its not as if Brown has been a total liability. Just a steady back up who could still improve.

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Strengthen at times of strength. There is too much of a drop off when Brown plays. In our system, the wing backs need to be able to create.

One of the big differences post-Xmas was a player with end product (Rooney) replacing one without (McNamara). Brown is a zero G+A if ever I saw one. 

I understand the argument that will be made about consistency though and focusing on other areas. But we would need to sign a centre back if Brown is going to be cover at wing back. 

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15 minutes ago, Radford said:

Strengthen at times of strength. There is too much of a drop off when Brown plays. In our system, the wing backs need to be able to create.

One of the big differences post-Xmas was a player with end product (Rooney) replacing one without (McNamara). Brown is a zero G+A if ever I saw one. 

I understand the argument that will be made about consistency though and focusing on other areas. But we would need to sign a centre back if Brown is going to be cover at wing back. 

The drop off is visible just now but it's mainly because Rooney is a pretty shite CB and Brown isn't a wing back. I think Brown might be good in a 4 but a 5 just isn't his game. It's a no from me.

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I was always under the impression Brown could play centreback as well, but I guess not since he’s never been played there. For that reason alone I don’t think I’d want to sign him. The more versatile the better for our defenders if you ask me, unless a young, specialist fullback comes along who has an end product. I’d have actually taken someone like Josh Mullin before he signed a new deal at Livi. He’s someone who can play wing back comfortably and be utilised further forwards if needs be. Dare I say it, a touch of the Drey Wright about him. 

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I think Drey Wright (and Matty Kennedy) would have done really well at Saints this season.They are richer men but are they happier men? 

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Just now, Radford said:

I think Drey Wright (and Matty Kennedy) would have done really well at Saints this season.They are richer men but are they happier men? 

I guess you put that question to Drey Wright at 6pm Saturday coming. As for Kennedy, he’s got a new manager, but I don’t see him lasting at Aberdeen for much longer. It’s funny to think if they hadn’t both moved in we’d probably never have signed Conway who played a massive part in us winning the League Cup....

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A fit Drey Wright would appear to be perfect for our system. Although does he have enough end product? Probably not but that’s in comparison to Rooney who has been all about end product this season. 

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Like Tam, I think Brown looks better defensively, solid and reliable, but it doesn't look to be his natural game to go charging forward at every opportunity like Rooney.  Definitely more a traditional back 4 right back.  That's not to say he's without ability going forward, he's put a couple of cracking deliveries into the box, it's just not that often he's in those areas.  As widge says, the fact that he only appears to be a defensive right back and nothing else probably doesn't help his cause.

The issue is,  we're talking about a player signing as cover, as our back 5 pretty much picks itself.  How good a marauding right wing back are we going to get who's happy to play second fiddle to Rooney?  Drey Wright would be good but unlikely, plus you could argue a player like him for the left side would be more of a priority.

If one of our centre backs is out next season I'd far rather we had a replacement centre back to pick than moving Rooney in, which weakens the defence and reduces our attacking threat down the right.

 

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1 hour ago, PauloPerth said:

The issue is,  we're talking about a player signing as cover, as our back 5 pretty much picks itself.  How good a marauding right wing back are we going to get who's happy to play second fiddle to Rooney?  Drey Wright would be good but unlikely, plus you could argue a player like him for the left side would be more of a priority.

If one of our centre backs is out next season I'd far rather we had a replacement centre back to pick than moving Rooney in, which weakens the defence and reduces our attacking threat down the right.

 

Agree with you on Brown. I don't think he should/will stay but if Millwall have any spare traditional CBs that they could send us in his place, might not be a bad shout for cover in the middle. I do wonder if MOH has it in him to become a Rooney backup as well as utility on the right in a front 3, but ideally we'd be able to bring in someone exciting in that space. 

If we're spending money upgrading, then a striker is surely the place to spend assuming that Guy will be gone, although the Callum Hendry situation might limit what we can do financially? In an ideal world we win the cup, sell Hendry, Melamed leaves and we can fill up with a striker, a (loan?) CB, keep Middleton and find a LWB to replace Tanser either as backup to Booth or as more attacking option, and a right-sided forward.

We're well served in the middle of the park with the Bryson extension and the keeper debate seems settled.

All assuming we don't lose any of our CBs of course, we're in a brilliant starting position for next season with only a few 'must sign' positions and the spine of a successful squad. Hopefully the extra cash can be used for upgrades wherever the manager sees fit.*

 

 

*ETA or infrastructure of course. Can't forget the infrastructure.

 

Edited by Valentino Bolognese

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