Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

[Derry Alli]

Just now, RandomGuy. said:

How much will we make from these games then? 

If you want to believe that both your fag paper maths are correct AND both Old Firm supports will sell out their usual allocation and thousands more, you go right ahead. 

I'll remain sceptical. 

[capt_oats]

Having a look at the attendances when the "Old Firm" teams have played recently. It averages out at 6,789 for Rangers and 6,481 for Celtic.

Realistically what sort of uptick in attendance would qualify the trial as a "success"? Or on a more basic level how many extra seats will Saints have to allocate to away fans?

Spoiler

22/09/19 - Rangers - 6,251
03/02/19 - Celtic - 6,242
23/12/18 - Rangers - 7,086
07/10/18 - Celtic - 5,993
28/02/18 - Rangers - 5,737
04/11/17 - Celtic - 6,800
13/10/17 - Rangers - 6,887
21/05/17 - Rangers - 6,799
05/02/17 - Celtic - 6,548
28/12/16 - Rangers - 7,979
20/08/16 - Celtic - 6,823

 

Edited January 3, 2020 by capt_oats

[Center half]

1 hour ago, Kyle said:

Fiction. We have enough season tickets to fill roughly 50% of the main stand. 

So we have 1500 existing season tickets in the main stand and how many in the East? 1000??

[Kyle]

Just now, Center half said:

So we have 1500 existing season tickets in the main stand and how many in the East? 1000??

No we have around 1500 overall. 

[Radford]

The Rangers Continous Credit Card Scheme means that their allocation (which will actually be in excess of 7,400) will be sold out, regardless of if any of them actually turn up. 

How does the Celtic away system work?

[RandomGuy.]

29 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

Having a look at the attendances when the "Old Firm" teams have played recently. It averages out at 6,789 for Rangers and 6,481 for Celtic.

Realistically what sort of uptick in attendance would qualify the trial as a "success"? Or on a more basic level how many extra seats will Saints have to allocate to away fans?

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22/09/19 - Rangers - 6,251
03/02/19 - Celtic - 6,242
23/12/18 - Rangers - 7,086
07/10/18 - Celtic - 5,993
28/02/18 - Rangers - 5,737
04/11/17 - Celtic - 6,800
13/10/17 - Rangers - 6,887
21/05/17 - Rangers - 6,799
05/02/17 - Celtic - 6,548
28/12/16 - Rangers - 7,979
20/08/16 - Celtic - 6,823

 

I'm sure you can add around 2700 to those figures without question.

Away support always sells out in these games, the variance is in home support which is clearly dropping.

[jamamafegan]

What's your answer to combat the lack of fans? Tell us all what the club should be doing to raise crowds?

Going to McDiarmid is a throughly unenjoyable experience. The club needs to make home games a more exciting experience but also do more away from McDiarmid to really make us stand out in Perth. Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s been said numerous times that we have a bit of cash in the bank, so I suggest Saints put it towards the following things:

Fan zones near McDiarmid - the fan zones for the Europa League games were great. Bring them back, sell alcohol and food, get people up to the ground before they decide to just stay in the pubs in Perth.

Shove St. Johnstone Football Club in Perth people’s faces - put up billboards around the city telling people to go to games, put up posters in pubs, shops, cafes, everywhere. If I was a tourist visiting Perth I wouldn’t have the faintest idea the town had a team unless I happened to see a bus go past with Stevie mays pus on the back. Also as a side note, it’s always annoyed me how the saints shop in town is called Campus Sports. Why can’t it be rebranded as the official St. Johnstone FC shop that sells both merchandise and other sports gear just as it does now?

Lower the prices for tickets - a country wide problem, I know. But it’s too expensive for the product on show. Twenty is Plenty.

Improve the facilities in the stadium. Currently we have shitey wee TVs and cold, grey concourses. Brighten the place up a bit, the place needs a lick of paint and could do with some cool pictures on the walls of past teams, players, Muirton Park, stuff like that. Make it more interesting.


Something needs to change. We aren’t making any progress by inviting the bigots to take over the stadium.

[tree house tam]

38 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:

Back to Pittodrie it is lads. Farewell.

 

[RandomGuy.]

3 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:

 

Going to McDiarmid is a throughly unenjoyable experience. The club needs to make home games a more exciting experience but also do more away from McDiarmid to really make us stand out in Perth. Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s been said numerous times that we have a bit of cash in the bank, so I suggest Saints put it towards the following things:

Fan zones near McDiarmid - the fan zones for the Europa League games were great. Bring them back, sell alcohol and food, get people up to the ground before they decide to just stay in the pubs in Perth.

Shove St. Johnstone Football Club in Perth people’s faces - put up billboards around the city telling people to go to games, put up posters in pubs, shops, cafes, everywhere. If I was a tourist visiting Perth I wouldn’t have the faintest idea the town had a team unless I happened to see a bus go past with Stevie mays pus on the back. Also as a side note, it’s always annoyed me how the saints shop in town is called Campus Sports. Why can’t it be rebranded as the official St. Johnstone FC shop that sells both merchandise and other sports gear just as it does now?

Lower the prices for tickets - a country wide problem, I know. But it’s too expensive for the product on show. Twenty is Plenty.

Improve the facilities in the stadium. Currently we have shitey wee TVs and cold, grey concourses. Brighten the place up a bit, the place needs a lick of paint and could do with some cool pictures on the walls of past teams, players, Muirton Park, stuff like that. Make it more interesting.


Something needs to change. We aren’t making any progress by inviting the bigots to take over the stadium.

 

So your plan to make money is spend more money and reduce income?

[jamamafegan]

So your plan to make money is spend more money and reduce income?

My plan is to spend money with the aim of increasing income in the long term instead of this short term solution which only continues to alienate Saints fans.

[tree house tam]

2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

So your plan to make money is spend more money and reduce income?

It's a gamble.

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, jamamafegan said:

 

My plan is to spend money with the aim of increasing income in the long term instead of this short term solution which only continues to alienate Saints fans.

 

And how long to try it for before giving up if it's not successful? 

[gannonball]

23 minutes ago, Radford said:

The Rangers Continous Credit Card Scheme means that their allocation (which will actually be in excess of 7,400) will be sold out, regardless of if any of them actually turn up. 

How does the Celtic away system work?

We don't have an automatic debit scheme for away games.

[jamamafegan]

And how long to try it for before giving up if it's not successful? 

I don’t know. How long is a piece of string? No risk - no reward.

[Old Pack]

Saints are between a rock and a hard place with this decision - financially they really have no other option. They've clearly tried to attract fans locally but it just isn't working.
 
Is there a reason why local fans won't support their local team?
 
 

Perth like many places outside Glasgow is polluted with Old Firm vermin and c***s swanning around in Liverpool and Barcelona tops.
Our support is dwindling at an alarming rate in our best ever decade.

[LincolnHearts]

53 minutes ago, Radford said:

The Rangers Continous Credit Card Scheme means that their allocation (which will actually be in excess of 7,400) will be sold out, regardless of if any of them actually turn up. 

How does the Celtic away system work?

One ticket normally admits 3.

[Center half]

1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Saints are between a rock and a hard place with this decision - financially they really have no other option. They've clearly tried to attract fans locally but it just isn't working.

 

Is there a reason why local fans won't support their local team?

 

 

It is an interesting Question that one Dee. however we are not alone in this phenonium I think! Back in the Day (1974) I started as an apprentice with Lowden's in Blackness road and was told all about the famous Dundee FC (obviously got the piss ripped because I was a saints fan). and how they packed Dens out every week, so where we have lost possibly 3000 ish (at a push) what have Dundee lost in fans over this period! serious question by the way!    

[PauloPerth]

I’m a season ticket holder in the East Stand. I remember being shot down by a few Saints fans on here for suggesting this when we drew Celtic in the Cup last season, for cup ties at least. 

Like a couple of others on here, I attended the ST holders meeting at the start of the season and heard the figures. We have 1680 or so ST holders, up slightly on last season. Last years cup match at home to Celtic, we had under 1100 home fans in total. Thats ST and pay £10 on the day.

You generally get pumped, you have to listen to the mutants singing their pish, the decisions go against you.. it’s just not appealing to many casual fans.  We already give them 4700 or so tickets, now they’ll get 7000.  It’d  be different if we were going from giving them 1500 to 7000. Motherwell and kilmarnock fans having a pop as your clubs are now ‘standing up to the OF’ is hilarious ... your fucking stadiums were built with the OF supports as the main consideration!

I can completely handle it if we see a couple of quality signings in January. 

As has been argued, we’ve tried loads to boost home support and there’s been no increase despite our best ever decade. There will still be plenty tickets available for home fans at OF matches, and if our support grows then we go back to the current allocation.

Finally, I haven’t looked at facts here, but I’m pretty sure one of the teams with the best home records against OF clubs over the past 18 months is Livingston.  Giving them 2000 extra tickets will make f**k all difference to our results against them. I’ve seen us draw a couple of times at Celtic park with less than 100 Saints fans there, and pump rangers at ibrox with a couple of hundred of us there.

I do think we’ll see non-OF match season tickets next year. I also wonder if there will be many more of them there as I’m not sure all their seats have been filled at quite a few of the more recent matches, particularly Celtic. But they will buy the tickets as it keeps them up on credit for their more sought after away tickets. That would be perfect.. we get an extra £80k per game but f**k all extra of them to put up with.
 

Would I rather it was 10000 Saints fans and just a couple of hundred OF supporters in a packed out McDiarmid Park for these games? Damn tootin’ I would; but it’s not going to happen, so just got to be realistic and make the best of it.

[jamamafegan]

As has been argued, we’ve tried loads to boost home support and there’s been no increase despite our best ever decade.

What are the “loads” of things we’ve done to boost the home support?

[Derry Alli]

24 minutes ago, Center half said:

It is an interesting Question that one Dee. however we are not alone in this phenonium I think! Back in the Day (1974) I started as an apprentice with Lowden's in Blackness road and was told all about the famous Dundee FC (obviously got the piss ripped because I was a saints fan). and how they packed Dens out every week, so where we have lost possibly 3000 ish (at a push) what have Dundee lost in fans over this period! serious question by the way!    

Did they send you for tartan paint and a left handed screwdriver, too? 

You must have been quite gullible. Dundee averaged about 7,000 in the 70's.