RandomGuy. Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Its pleasing that we still seem really active in terms of the youth teams. This time of year you always see us signing a fair amount of youngsters up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Its pleasing that we still seem really active in terms of the youth teams. This time of year you always see us signing a fair amount of youngsters up. Then release them a few years later. Really really pleasing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Callum talking wee Max up in the Record this morning. Says Gilmour has to do more though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, tree house tam said: Then release them a few years later. Really really pleasing. Aye most probably don't make it, but I'd worry about where we'd be without the youth system lately. Provides us with a decent amount of players all things considered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Have seen absolutely nothing in Gilmour. What strikes me most though is his poor positional sense. A good defensive midfielder is always in the right place to pick up loose balls or make interceptions but Gilmour always seems to be in the wrong place. I think back to the 0-0 draw at Rugby Park, when Liam Gordon came back into the side, in 2019. Tommy Wright also brought Liam Craig back in and I don't think he had to overstretch all night, just always in the right place to cut things out or pick up the ball. Gilmour is the complete opposite. Obviously he's still a young player in terms of experience (if not age, at 23) but there has to be part of the ability to read a game that comes naturally, I just don't see any evidence of it from him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I liked the idea of Gilmour. EPL drop outs are ones you expect to have high technical ability and just need match experiences to mould them, so the upsides seem pretty high to going down that route. For whatever reason it's not worked out with him, and I think some of that is him never having a clue how he wanted to play so he's ended up some weird mish mash CM whos never been developed to play a role, but that's likely bollocks and he's just no use. Shame it's looking like it'll have been a waste of time, but it's a route I wouldn't mind us trying every so often. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I liked the idea of Gilmour. EPL drop outs are ones you expect to have high technical ability and just need match experiences to mould them, so the upsides seem pretty high to going down that route. For whatever reason it's not worked out with him, and I think some of that is him never having a clue how he wanted to play so he's ended up some weird mish mash CM whos never been developed to play a role, but that's likely bollocks and he's just no use. Shame it's looking like it'll have been a waste of time, but it's a route I wouldn't mind us trying every so often. To me, the stuff in the press seems to be Callum saying he thinks he's lazy or not committed, but if he's being compared on those traits to Liam Craig who I assume he was the intended replacement for that's a pretty high bar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Valentino Bolognese said: To me, the stuff in the press seems to be Callum saying he thinks he's lazy or not committed, but if he's being compared on those traits to Liam Craig who I assume he was the intended replacement for that's a pretty high bar. A young lad who's spent the last few years being rejected and dropping down levels is probably going to have lost a lot of love for the game, surely part of the coaching should be to encourage that back. I know it'd be tough going though. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Johnstoun said: A young lad who's spent the last few years being rejected and dropping down levels is probably going to have lost a lot of love for the game, surely part of the coaching should be to encourage that back. I know it'd be tough going though. Yeah Callum needs to learn to stop publicly criticizing players, it’s counter-productive and beginning to annoy me. Words of encouragement for yhe younger players in particular makes far more sense, particularly for someone who is in this situation and maybe lost a bit of love for the game. Deal with any issues around workrate etc behind closed doors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Johnstoun said: A young lad who's spent the last few years being rejected and dropping down levels is probably going to have lost a lot of love for the game, surely part of the coaching should be to encourage that back. I know it'd be tough going though. Agree. Can't imagine that being called out for not 'giving enough' in the national press is going to be much of a motivator. Then again we don't know the full story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 At least Max is getting built up with praise, although I guess that'll end when he loses the ball in a pre-season game trying to take someone on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I’m really hoping Cammy Ballantyne can come back this season and contribute. Feels like it needs to be this season if it’s going to happen for him at this level, and been getting raved about in league 1. Hasn’t looked out of place in his brief appearances with Saints too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, John Bonham said: I’m really hoping Cammy Ballantyne can come back this season and contribute. Feels like it needs to be this season if it’s going to happen for him at this level, and been getting raved about in league 1. Hasn’t looked out of place in his brief appearances with Saints too. Can't help but wonder if his chance has likely gone, he doesn't even get a mention today while Gilmour and Alex Ferguson do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Can't help but wonder if his chance has likely gone, he doesn't even get a mention today while Gilmour and Alex Ferguson do. Yeah that’s what made me think about it, although I thought he signed a 2 year extension earlier in the season? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, John Bonham said: Yeah that’s what made me think about it, although I thought he signed a 2 year extension earlier in the season? Yeah think he signed until 2024 in January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Makes you wonder if Gilmour doesn't trust his body very much. He won't be the first guy hoovered up by the EPL because he looked decent at age 12 or similar that never makes the grade professionally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center half Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, John Bonham said: I’m really hoping Cammy Ballantyne can come back this season and contribute. Feels like it needs to be this season if it’s going to happen for him at this level, and been getting raved about in league 1. Hasn’t looked out of place in his brief appearances with Saints too. Likewise for me with Cammy Ballantyne and agree a bit with RG statement above! A work client of mine goes to a lot of the Montrose games and last year he was raving about Cammy this year he said he was bit Meh and he was a bit disappointed he did not kick on! Think he might be a bit Like Liam Caddis sort of peaked at a young age and then never kicked on! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Yeah think he signed until 2024 in January.Aye and then went back out on loan until season end whilst we brought Gilmour back. I think he’s just not good enough sadly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Center half said: Likewise for me with Cammy Ballantyne and agree a bit with RG statement above! A work client of mine goes to a lot of the Montrose games and last year he was raving about Cammy this year he said he was bit Meh and he was a bit disappointed he did not kick on! Think he might be a bit Like Liam Caddis sort of peaked at a young age and then never kicked on! That would be a real shame if that’s how it pans out. I’m sure he was in league 1 TOTS this season though? was hoping we might get some comments from Montrose fans as they will have seen plenty to know whether he could step up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Center half Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, John Bonham said: That would be a real shame if that’s how it pans out. I’m sure he was in league 1 TOTS this season though? was hoping we might get some comments from Montrose fans as they will have seen plenty to know whether he could step up Yes be good to get some input from others from Montrose on Him! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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