The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Had the same with Kovalev winning 3rd and 12th, think you have to be giving Ward every benefit of the doubt to have hin winning 7 rounds I have the exact same card as Glen Trowbridge apart from round 10 that I gave to Kovalev and - which was one of the tightest rounds in the fight. And we differed on round 12 which I have a draw- he gave Ward. So easy to see how a 2 round Kovalev win can easily become a 1 round loss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Fascinating fight was better on second viewing than the 1st. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Had the same with Kovalev winning 3rd and 12th, think you have to be giving Ward every benefit of the doubt to have hin winning 7 rounds 3rd was very tight could have went either way I just thought Ward edged the exchanges on balance. And 12th I couldn't split. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meth Damon Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: 3rd was very tight could have went either way I just thought Ward edged the exchanges on balance. And 12th I couldn't split. Aye neither were clear at all, don't know if it affects people's thinking to see Ward doing better after such a disastrous start. 3rd round he did really well to stop the onslaught but I still thought Kovalev won the round 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2/3 judges gave it to Kovalev 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I think it was the sort of fight that proves the scoring system isn't entirely foolproof. You could confidently give 3 or 4 rounds in a row to a fighter but if you didn't score them individually that group of rounds was actually quite close. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meth Damon Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Scoring the fight as a SD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburgh phil Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Had Ward two rounds to the good, haven't rewatched it yet. The comments here just go to show how tight it was depending on what ya fancy....rematch now please! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Scoring the fight as a SD [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Had Ward two rounds to the good, haven't rewatched it yet. The comments here just go to show how tight it was depending on what ya fancy....rematch now please! Rewatch it on American telly on YouTube. Even up the commentator bias. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meth Damon Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 34 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: Rewatch it on American telly on YouTube. Even up the commentator bias. Aye this is a good idea, I'd rather no commentary but you need the noise to hear the punches 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Just rewatched it and had it 115-113 Kovalev. 1-Kovalev2-Kovalev 10-83- Ward 4- Kovalev 5- Kovalev 6- Kovalev 7-Ward8-Ward9- Ward 10- Kovalev 11-Ward 12- split. The only rounds I thought there was a clear winner was 1,2,4 and 8. The rest you could make a case for either man. On my second viewing I have Kovalev round 5 where before I gave it to Ward and I gave a winner in 10 and 11 that I'd given even splits before. This is pretty close to what I had it on first viewing. I think the sky commentary maybe affected folk's viewing.It's hard to not let it affect you even subconsciously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meth Damon Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Meth Damon said: Scoring the fight as a SD But wait... there's more Robert Hoyle had Hooker beating Perez 97-93 and Mcdonnell beating Solis 118-110, couple of pretty inexcusable scorecards within a week of each other 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Watched it after a few beers and never scored it but thought Kovalev did enough in the first half to win it. Will watch it again tomorrow and keep a scorecard which won't include any 10-10 rounds which is an absolute cop out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kool Keith said: Watched it after a few beers and never scored it but thought Kovalev did enough in the first half to win it. Will watch it again tomorrow and keep a scorecard which won't include any 10-10 rounds which is an absolute cop out. Scoring a round you can't conceivably give either way, as 10-10, is not a cop out. Awarding a fighter a round, when he hasn't clearly hasn't done enough to justify it is. Please don't come back with a split decision! Edited November 20, 2016 by kiddy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Scoring a 10-10 means you can't be arsed differentiating between the two fighters. There's always a difference no matter how subtle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falside Jag Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 If you're scoring rounds 10-10 then you can't make a reasonable comparison between your scorecards and the judges because the judges don't have that luxury. In a ten point scoring system you have to pick a winner of the round. The only way you will ever get an even round is, and this is extremely rare, a fighter scores a knockdown but is utterly outboxed for the rest of the round. On that basis I've seen a 9-9 scored. The judges are there to judge. That's why it gets controversial at times. If any of you have been splitting rounds then you have been using a different scoring system. It's like deciding a football match on corners won when everybody else is using goals. I had the exact same score as the judges. I thought that it was all on the last and I gave it to Ward. I thought from round 6 onwards Kovalev was very ineffective and Ward was producing the more eye catching work. If I was using split scoring then Kovalev would have been way ahead because the rounds were very close and I could have been lazy but as I had to make a decision Wards movement and pot shotting saw me edge, marginally, towards him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Falside Jag said: If you're scoring rounds 10-10 then you can't make a reasonable comparison between your scorecards and the judges because the judges don't have that luxury. In a ten point scoring system you have to pick a winner of the round. The only way you will ever get an even round is, and this is extremely rare, a fighter scores a knockdown but is utterly outboxed for the rest of the round. On that basis I've seen a 9-9 scored. The judges are there to judge. That's why it gets controversial at times. If any of you have been splitting rounds then you have been using a different scoring system. It's like deciding a football match on corners won when everybody else is using goals. I had the exact same score as the judges. I thought that it was all on the last and I gave it to Ward. I thought from round 6 onwards Kovalev was very ineffective and Ward was producing the more eye catching work. If I was using split scoring then Kovalev would have been way ahead because the rounds were very close and I could have been lazy but as I had to make a decision Wards movement and pot shotting saw me edge, marginally, towards him. When did judges not have the luxury of dishing out 10-10 rounds? If they are just blindly dishing out rounds when there's no discernible difference then it's little wonder that boxing's reputation for dodgy results is increasing markedly, It's not a common occurrence for me to call rounds 10-10 but I'm not skewing a scorecard just to suit some bawbags that are more interested in looking after the interests of those outside the ring making cash. If you had 6 really close rounds between Manny and a major hate figure then Manny is always going to draw the fight even if he got rag-dolled in the other 6. Edited November 21, 2016 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Does anyone have a link to a rerun of the Ward fight? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taurus Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 If you're scoring rounds 10-10 then you can't make a reasonable comparison between your scorecards and the judges because the judges don't have that luxury. In a ten point scoring system you have to pick a winner of the round. The only way you will ever get an even round is, and this is extremely rare, a fighter scores a knockdown but is utterly outboxed for the rest of the round. On that basis I've seen a 9-9 scored. The judges are there to judge. That's why it gets controversial at times. If any of you have been splitting rounds then you have been using a different scoring system. It's like deciding a football match on corners won when everybody else is using goals. I had the exact same score as the judges. I thought that it was all on the last and I gave it to Ward. I thought from round 6 onwards Kovalev was very ineffective and Ward was producing the more eye catching work. If I was using split scoring then Kovalev would have been way ahead because the rounds were very close and I could have been lazy but as I had to make a decision Wards movement and pot shotting saw me edge, marginally, towards him. Who told you judges cant score a round 10 -10 ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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