Loki Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I had it 7-5 in Pacquaio’s favour with the extra point for the knockdown. Real exciting fight but Manny just isn’t the same fighter, but still an exceptional boxer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieStevenson Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Would quite like to see him obliterate Amir Khan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Pac wont get the credit that win deserves because Thurman lacks that bit of name recognition, but even in the terms of Pacs career thats a good win. In terms of a 40 year old fighting in the lower weights, its fucking massive. What a man.I had him as a part timer these days who would eventually get humiliated. Going to have wait on the next young hungry champ to see if they want the torch more. Sum boi Manny. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilly Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, JamieStevenson said: Would quite like to see him obliterate Amir Khan. Yes please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 6 hours ago, J_Stewart said: I know this got rightly ignored as the bullshit fishing trip it was from a terrible, terrible troll, but even the thought of it: H_B is an appalling troll. I know you are a big fanboy of the Eastern European fighters but Usyk couldn't keep Bellew and Briedis from landing. He is going to struggle against the real big men. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 I know you are a big fanboy of the Eastern European fighters but Usyk couldn't keep Bellew and Briedis from landing. He is going to struggle against the real big men. I can remember the same being said about Holyfield. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Bellew emptying his tank by throwing everything, and landing nothing of note or consequence before being utterly bodied by Usyk is certainly one of the key indicators I use in assessing Usyks potential against fucking jobbers like Dereck Chisora. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Chisora weighed 257 pounds last night and looked in great shape. He would probably be two stone heavier than Usyk if they met. Usyk's style will have to change to fight men who can end fights with one punch. Holyfield went hard on the anabolics went he moved up. Haye cherry picked his opponents and ran from Wlad. Usyk doesn't have those options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Chisora weighed 257 pounds last night and looked in great shape. He would probably be two stone heavier than Usyk if they met. Usyk's style will have to change to fight men who can end fights with one punch. Holyfield went hard on the anabolics went he moved up. Haye cherry picked his opponents and ran from Wlad. Usyk doesn't have those options. Usyk cant cherry pick his opponents? Based on what?Usyk cant run from his opponents? Based on what? The suggestion the the difference in pure body mass between Usyk and Chisora would be the difference maker, whilst making bo mention of the fucking CHASM in skills between the two is laughable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Based on the fact he's not British or American so if he wants to make big money he will have to deliver some entertainment against decent opposition. Body mass is hugely important which is why there are weight classes. Trading with a bigger man is never a great idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: Based on the fact he's not British or American so if he wants to make big money he will have to deliver some entertainment against decent opposition. Body mass is hugely important which is why there are weight classes. Trading with a bigger man is never a great idea. David Haye convincingly beat a man the best part of a foot taller, and more than 7 stone heavier. Chisora wouldn't get close to Usyk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Convincingly beat! That fight was a joke and the cards could have been anything. Sky had Valuev winning. Usyk can jab and run but he won't face an opponent as immobile as Valuev in his final fight or make much money doing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeefc1783 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Wilder weighed in 45 pounds less than Chisora for his fight with Tyson Fury. Are you suggesting Wider wouldn’t have a chance against Chisora either? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Based on the fact he's not British or American so if he wants to make big money he will have to deliver some entertainment against decent opposition. Body mass is hugely important which is why there are weight classes. Trading with a bigger man is never a great idea. Yeah no one said that body mass doesnt make a difference. And I imagine an elite fighter renowned for his ring IQ like Usyk has no intention of trading with a bigger man.The point, once again, is that the comparative gap in skills is significantly wider than any gap in body mass between the two. Chisora has the same "punchers chance" against Usyk that someone like Rocky Fielding had against Canelo, since he just wont be able to wing hooks at his head like he did lastnight. Chisora is, int he skills department, not much more than a jobber. Usyk is p4p. Don't let that put you off though. It's pretty obvious you intend to keep on plugging away in this thread despite the knowledge gap. Ironic really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Convincingly beat! That fight was a joke and the cards could have been anything. Sky had Valuev winning. Usyk can jab and run but he won't face an opponent as immobile as Valuev in his final fight or make much money doing it.Haye went through Chisora( a much bigger man) in no time. Your arguments pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: 2 hours ago, Detournement said: Convincingly beat! That fight was a joke and the cards could have been anything. Sky had Valuev winning. Usyk can jab and run but he won't face an opponent as immobile as Valuev in his final fight or make much money doing it. Haye went through Chisora( a much bigger man) in no time. Your arguments pish His arguement is essentially exactly what Sky Sports News will have Johnny Nelson peddling for weeks in order that folk shell out the PPV money. Pitiful stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Based on the fact he's not British or American so if he wants to make big money he will have to deliver some entertainment against decent opposition. Body mass is hugely important which is why there are weight classes. Trading with a bigger man is never a great idea.Tell all those fighters that have moved through multiple divisions over the decades that; names too numerous to mention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Tell all those fighters that have moved through multiple divisions over the decades that; names too numerous to mention.Didnt a guy like that fight a bigger, younger guy a few hours back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeefc1783 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Didnt a guy like that fight a bigger, younger guy a few hours back? The bigger younger guy won that fight though didn’t he? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, dundeefc1783 said: The bigger younger guy won that fight though didn’t he? Manny Pacquiao got beat? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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