Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

[Ross.]

3 minutes ago, HibsFan said:

Being talented while sitting on Celtic's bench is not a career or life changing move.

For further information, see the career that Scott Brown could've had if he had a shred of ambition.

Going from £600 to £6000 a week or whatever the sums involved were would definitely be life changing.

[capt_oats]

30 minutes ago, gannonball said:

The statement including thanking Motherwell and wishing David the best with his operation would suggest otherwise.

I take your point, the door's being left open for something in the future, but in the short term at least the fact they've released that statement acknowledging Motherwell's "deal's aff lads" statement suggests that it's actually, really aff compared to the brinksmanship around the Twitter shitfit and all out "we're walking away from the deal (honest)" media assault.

Hanging around for a few days trying to come to a "solution" to sign a player who has literally failed a medical was a weird look too. I'm not really sure how Celtic would have squared signing a player who (apparently) needs a surgery.

Tbf it's a good "out" for Celtic given the way the whole saga has panned out. They get to back out the deal (for the moment) for a perfectly legit reason. It's an opportunity to give them pause and give a bit more consideration as to whether they actually really want to sign him. I've said it before but the whole move has come across like a vanity signing after the John McGinn Incident last season.

[kennysmassiveego]

Hope the boy recovers fully and moves to an English club and has a stellar non sectarian riddled  career .

My main concern is that any knee operation on a footballer usually results in a downturn in their career , can’t think of too many that recovered and went onto be better post op 

[Bohemian]

Feel sorry for the lad, clearly wanted the move and would of been the next step in his career no matter what any of us think of Celtic because I reckon they would only of Been a stepping stone anyway. 

[ropy]

Technically everyone should be happy

the motherwell fans get to keep their starlet and not sell to a team in the same league

the Celtic fans are happy as they don’t sign an injured player - most of them didn’t know who he was anyway

Motherwell are happy as they hold on to their asset and get to sell him later on

Celtic are a little bit unhappy at not getting their target over the line but are able to turn their attention to someone else

the rest of Scottish football are happy as there are rich pickings from the saga and who knows if it has ended

[WellView]

26 minutes ago, welldaft said:

One way of summing it up is just our luck.

We are about to double our record transfer fee and out of seemingly no where it transpires he needs significant knee surgery. You could not make it up. 

Sort term nobody wins. We lose out on significant chunk of cash and probably puts a huge dent in our transfer plans. Celtic miss out on the best young player in Scotland. Turnbull misses out on a career and life changing move. 

Out for 3 months is a long time and as easy as it would be to have a go at Celtic. What were they suppose to do. The loan suggestion if true is a brass neck and rightly they were told to do one.  Nobody knows how serious this is. He may well come back to his normal self, he may well come back better. But there is also an outside chance this surgery does not address the issue and he is a lesser player and / or it reoccurs. 

I hope the surgery is a big success and he comes back as he finished last season and we and he realise his undoubted potential. Who knows we may end up getting more money, but right now £3m is the benchmark. 

The benefit is that Well fans will hopefully get to see him play in claret and amber for at least another 2-3 months. 

 

Are you saying - Celtic offered a loan-to-buy deal because they wanted a look at him before committing to the transfer?

Who'd have thought, eh? 

( by the way, I hear the loan fee was £500,000 deductible from the transfer if it went through, non-refundable as always if not. Imagine teams paying loans fees, amazing, eh? )

............

Well done Burrows. And all those wanks that threatened to boycott Fir Park if the Celtic move went through/if the club folded, send some money to the Well Society by way of apology, that's the least you can do. 

[dezz]

32 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

I've said it before but the whole move has come across like a vanity signing after the John McGinn Incident last season.

Totally agree. The whole thing came across as a Celtic vanity project to prove to their fans that they could still attract the best Scottish talent.

I do feel sorry for Turnbull though, for the whole thing to have been played out very publicly, then to agree to a life changing move, to all of a sudden learning he's out the game for months and he's going nowhere must be pretty tough for a 19 year old kid to take. 

I've no doubt Motherwell will do their best by him and make sure his head is in the right place after all this, and he'll most likely be away either in January or next summer anyway. We might not get the same fee for him unless he absolutely tears up the league post-op but speaking purely from a fans perspective I'm delighted we'll get to see him in claret and amber again.

I'm sure the board are annoyed about missing out on the £3m+ windfall but kudos to them for sticking to their guns and not accepting any lower fee. We've still got (potentially) the thick end of £750k to come in this summer from the development fees for Cadden, Hastie and McKinstry so we're not needing the money immediately. There's also been rumors of Heneghan and Kipre possibly being traded so there could be some further cash due if either of those happen. 

I just hope the guy recovers quickly, gets back on the pitch and gets the move his undoubted potential deserves...after he wins us a cup. 

Edited June 27, 2019 by dezz

[thisGRAEME]

14 minutes ago, WellView said:

Are you saying - Celtic offered a loan-to-buy deal because they wanted a look at him before committing to the transfer?

YASSSS!!!

[Desp]

21 minutes ago, WellView said:

Are you saying - Celtic offered a loan-to-buy deal because they wanted a look at him before committing to the transfer?

It was rejected because it is, and always has been, a ludicrous idea. 

Stick to the Rugby, Tom.  

[nsr]

They must have read this thread and thought maybe we'd be stupid enough to go for it.

[DukDukGoose]

the Celtic fans reaction on twitter has been fantastic.

A couple of my favourites here:

 

 

 

 

 

That's only from one thread too.

 

 

 

 

[Ron Aldo]

1 minute ago, nsr said:

They must have read this thread and thought maybe we'd be stupid enough to go for it.

Maybe taking a gamble that WellView is Alan Burrows?

[Iain]

Not sure I understand the outrage about the revised proposal. From a third party point of view it looks like Celtic offered to share the risk (including paying for treatment and rehab) following the diagnosis rather than back out of the deal completely, but Motherwell preferred to take on all of the risk as a point of principle? Motherwell now need a lot of things to go right (surgery, rehab, player's subsequent physical and mental condition, player's form, level of interest from other clubs) just to get back to the same position they were in before. It seems a bold gambit with extremely limited upside.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

4 minutes ago, Iain said:

Not sure I understand the outrage about the revised proposal. From a third party point of view it looks like Celtic offered to share the risk (including paying for treatment and rehab) following the diagnosis rather than back out of the deal completely, but Motherwell preferred to take on all of the risk as a point of principle? Motherwell now need a lot of things to go right (surgery, rehab, player's subsequent physical and mental condition, player's form, level of interest from other clubs) just to get back to the same position they were in before. It seems a bold gambit with extremely limited upside.

The only difference is Motherwell dealing with the rehab cost. All the other stuff is a risk regardless of where he is. 

[RussellAnderson]

Losers: Celtic fans, Lennon, Celtic board, Motherwell board, Turnbull.

Winners: Motherwell fans, abdy else.

Get it ROOND ye Celtic. Hope Turnbull makes a full recovery from the surgery, blasts some goals past Celtic before moving to Aberde... some English prem team and firing Scotland to WC 2022. Happy days!

[nsr]

Turnbull in a few years will be sitting in the home dressing room at the Nou Camp telling his teammates that he almost signed for Celtic at age 19.

They will all crack up with laughter at the thought of how his career might have ground to a halt.

"Who are Celtic?" some of the younger players will be asking.

[Romeo]

Bullet dodged, Motherwell will have to seek for a lot less than the fee they wanted.

Lucky escape for us. Motherwell probably knew about this but kept quiet.

Poor from them.

[Luke92]

Well done to Alan Burrows for not giving in to Lawwell's usual nonsense. From what I have heard this is a minor meniscus tear, he could have played through this season with the issue without any problem. The surgery is a preventative measure. Celtic are using this to drive down the price.

Let's get it right, Celtic Twitter + Media are going to be labelling him a 'crock' and all this pish but David Turnbull is going to be back this Autumn playing with us all going well. This isn't Celtic signing some 32 year old with a cruciate ligament injury. He is a young boy with bags of potential and is going to fully recover from this. Celtic have done themselves here for both a player this season and potential sell on down the line.

I have a suspicion that he will be back playing with Motherwell a lot quicker than people think. It wouldn't even be out of the realms of possibility for an English team to come in at the end of the window post surgery. They aren't so bothered about money as Celtic are.

Again, I feel sorry for Turnbull but he is a strong enough character to come through this. DT 7 this season

[Desp]

8 minutes ago, Romeo said:

Bullet dodged, Motherwell will have to seek for a lot less than the fee they wanted.

Lucky escape for us. Motherwell probably knew about this but kept quiet.

Poor from them.

[Victor von Doom]

I'd like to know who says the boy needs surgery.

Clearly he doesn't have a major meniscus tear.

There may be a slight physical defect that might theoretically degenerate into a more serious condition.

A different specialist might take a different view.

 Speak to almost anyone who's been shuffled around consultants - either NHS or private - with any condition that isn't completely stratightforward.

Boy and 'Well  need to get a few opinions.

Asa Hartford was about the same age when Don Revie's Leeds pulled-out of a deal to take him from W.B.A. and he had a pretty decent career. How quickly would a club pull out of a deal for Asa Hartford these days? Would he even be allowed to play once the "hole in the heart" showed-up on a scan?

Medical advice is becoming like legal advice these days. If there's a chance of a problem down the line, the professional counselling will always be that the risk should not be taken - and the reason for that is almost always solely to cover the professional counsellor's erse. 

Sadly for Rangers, professional advice from accountants tends to lean towards being incautious....

edit: And no ******* way would 'Well have known anything about it.       

Edited June 27, 2019 by Victor von Doom