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1 hour ago, ropy said:

Just watched the BBC World Services programme on Motherwell, very powerful, now making the wife watch it so that she understands 

Yep - brilliant stuff and genuinely makes you proud to be part of the whole thing....

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Still to check that out. Looks class though

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ICYMI: here's the link to the short film. It's well worth 30 mins of anyone's time.

Also, while I'm here: Happy Based Craig Reid Day erryone...

 

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5 hours ago, capt_oats said:

 

Also, while I'm here: Happy Based Craig Reid Day erryone...

 

Something that I feel goes unnoticed is that Keith Lasley was apparently capable of hitting 60 yard free kicks into the opposition goal mouth and we decided to utilise it exactly once in his career.

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6 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

Something that I feel goes unnoticed is that Keith Lasley was apparently capable of hitting 60 yard free kicks into the opposition goal mouth and we decided to utilise it exactly once in his career.

On the SPFL video about it, McCall describes it as 'the biggest kick he's ever taken', seems about right.

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Overheard someone talking about Gillespie being away in the summer, Anyone seen anything?

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1 minute ago, DylanMFC said:

Overheard someone talking about Gillespie being away in the summer, Anyone seen anything?

Surely you can't keep two first team keepers in Carson and Gillespie?

Carson I'd imagine is still the club's number one so Gillespie will be off?

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28 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Surely you can't keep two first team keepers in Carson and Gillespie?

Carson I'd imagine is still the club's number one so Gillespie will be off?

It's a bit of a weird situation. Gillespie was brought in because we thought there was a chance Carson was off last summer (given the offer from Celtic we kb'd which ended up with Bain moving there and IIRC Cardiff were rumoured to be interested). However nothing materialised and we've seen the season out with both on the books (along with Rohan Ferguson). If we managed it this season there's no reason we couldn't budget-wise next season.

In honesty this season has shown why we really should have 3 keepers available. Last season we had to draft in the bold Gennadios Xenodochof short term because Carson picked up an injury and we didn't have a 'keeper available for the bench. This coincided with our December Slump as we had Russell Griffiths and his lettuce wrists in goals and the drop-off between Carson and him was huge.

Basically we'd have been fairly fucked this season if Gillespie hadn't been our back-up option. Gillespie's got the gloves just now and I'd say he'd be considered our #1 however both their contracts are up at the end of next season. I'd say that Gillespie is almost certainly more of a sellable asset given he's younger than Carson and being really fucking cold about it the nature of Carson's injury would almost certainly put a question mark over him for potential buyers.

Gillespie's been really, really good and seeing as we famously couldn't seem to find a buyer for Randolph I'd expect we'd be listening if there was interest (that's a fairly 'duh!' statement I know).

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1 hour ago, capt_oats said:

It's a bit of a weird situation. Gillespie was brought in because we thought there was a chance Carson was off last summer (given the offer from Celtic we kb'd which ended up with Bain moving there and IIRC Cardiff were rumoured to be interested). However nothing materialised and we've seen the season out with both on the books (along with Rohan Ferguson). If we managed it this season there's no reason we couldn't budget-wise next season.

In honesty this season has shown why we really should have 3 keepers available. Last season we had to draft in the bold Gennadios Xenodochof short term because Carson picked up an injury and we didn't have a 'keeper available for the bench. This coincided with our December Slump as we had Russell Griffiths and his lettuce wrists in goals and the drop-off between Carson and him was huge.

Basically we'd have been fairly fucked this season if Gillespie hadn't been our back-up option. Gillespie's got the gloves just now and I'd say he'd be considered our #1 however both their contracts are up at the end of next season. I'd say that Gillespie is almost certainly more of a sellable asset given he's younger than Carson and being really fucking cold about it the nature of Carson's injury would almost certainly put a question mark over him for potential buyers.

Gillespie's been really, really good and seeing as we famously couldn't seem to find a buyer for Randolph I'd expect we'd be listening if there was interest (that's a fairly 'duh!' statement I know).

Some good keepers released in England just now in lower leagues a 6.4 foot guy that just got on the Chilie squad in 2018 was at Swindon 

And a guy from Crewe that was in England youth level teams

 

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I see that Turnbull won SFWA Young Player of the Year last night. No less than he deserves and just confirms what we already know - easily the best young player in the country.

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17 minutes ago, Radford said:

Why didn't Turnbull play yesterday?

Too busy collecting his award.

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Well deserved. 

As for yesterday, pretty grim stuff all round I’m afraid. Hard to tell whether we’ve chucked it or teams have just sussed us out.

Either way, some hot takes if you will-

If anyone genuinely wants to give us 400k for Cadden, snap their hand off. 

Grimshaw had a good run of form post winter break but has resorted to type since he got his new contract, he’s a squad player at best. Get Tait back to the right and let Carroll/Livingstone fight it out for left back next season.

Without Gorrin orchestrating things, the drop off in quality in our midfield is noticeable- our football is also so slow and predictable. Turnbull was virtually playing as a third centre back in the 2nd half just to try and get on the ball. I assume there’s more to the story of him not being involved yesterday than he’s simply leaving?

As for next week, genuinely wouldn’t bother playing anyone who’s not signing. Would be more than happy for us go full on young Motherwell and see what happens. 

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53 minutes ago, Casagolda said:

 

Without Gorrin orchestrating things, the drop off in quality in our midfield is noticeable- our football is also so slow and predictable. Turnbull was virtually playing as a third centre back in the 2nd half just to try and get on the ball. I assume there’s more to the story of him not being involved yesterday than he’s simply leaving?

Without Gorrin and due to McHugh's absence of any idea of perception on the park - added to lack of pace we're left with Campbell needing to be box to box, defensive midfield and supporting striker all at once.  

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1 hour ago, Casagolda said:

Without Gorrin orchestrating things, the drop off in quality in our midfield is noticeable- our football is also so slow and predictable. Turnbull was virtually playing as a third centre back in the 2nd half just to try and get on the ball. I assume there’s more to the story of him not being involved yesterday than he’s simply leaving?

To add to the Gorrin omission that was only the 2nd time since the winter break that Frear's not been involved in a squad (the last time was the 1-0 win against Hibs at FP). It's fair to say Frear's been a bit part player but it's unusual for him to not have been in the squad.

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Your manager moaning that other clubs are talking to your players yet he's signed and talked to Gallagher weeks/months ago :D what a hypocrite 

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8 hours ago, capt_oats said:

To add to the Gorrin omission that was only the 2nd time since the winter break that Frear's not been involved in a squad (the last time was the 1-0 win against Hibs at FP). It's fair to say Frear's been a bit part player but it's unusual for him to not have been in the squad.

To be honest I think Frear like McHugh above, falls into the category of players whom while I wouldn’t necessarily describe them as ‘deadwood, it’s probably time for them to move on. Same goes for Cadden as well, for them as much as us. 

You saw last summer what happens when you don’t freshen it up, things go stale. By contrast you look at the impact Gorrin, Ariyibi and Hastie had in January and the way it completely rejuvenated the team. 

Outside of Gorrin and Hastie(before his head was turned), I don’t think any of those turning down new contracts are massive losses tbh. As such, a summer shake up isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Like any other season though, we’ll only be as successful as our recruitment. 

Robinson’s been good in both January windows at identitying what he needs and getting it. He also virtually rebuilt the team from scratch when he first took over, so nothing he’s going to have to do this summer should surprise him or be beyond him.

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12 hours ago, Casagolda said:

To be honest I think Frear like McHugh above, falls into the category of players whom while I wouldn’t necessarily describe them as ‘deadwood, it’s probably time for them to move on. Same goes for Cadden as well, for them as much as us. 

You saw last summer what happens when you don’t freshen it up, things go stale. By contrast you look at the impact Gorrin, Ariyibi and Hastie had in January and the way it completely rejuvenated the team. 

Outside of Gorrin and Hastie (before his head was turned), I don’t think any of those turning down new contracts are massive losses tbh. As such, a summer shake up isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Like any other season though, we’ll only be as successful as our recruitment. 

Robinson’s been good in both January windows at identitying what he needs and getting it. He also virtually rebuilt the team from scratch when he first took over, so nothing he’s going to have to do this summer should surprise him or be beyond him.

Definitely.

While the club has been doing its best with the "battle for 7th" and the like it's felt like the season's been done for ages and everyone has known it.

As it stands we're 8th and sat on the same points as last season. We've scored the same number of goals as last season but conceded 5 more. We've actually won 1 more game than last season but also lost 1 more. All in all it's been a something like a 6.8 of a season IMO. We've also had 2 players up for both YPOTY awards and 1 win, which is nice.

Granted it's a pain in the arse we've chucked 2 wins away against Accies and St Mirren post-split but in the grand scheme of things you'd think that Robinson's actually learning more about what he needs.

In a way, the way we've approached the 2nd half of the season is the trajectory I'd kind of hoped we'd see this season. I think Robinson's found a style of play that he's clearly capable of coaching that the players enjoy but also manages to keep the fans onside. So that's a good thing IMO.

The whole Hastie/Rangers thing is tabloid/clickbait drama that Robinson could have done without over the past few months. It sounds frustrating if we've got offers on the table but the players aren't signing but when it comes down to it guys like Frear, McHugh etc have served their purpose and I'm pretty sure Robinson knows that. It was encouraging to hear Robinson saying that we're going to keep trying to do the same thing in terms of the way we play.

Ultimately, if we're going to keep trying to do that then it needs better players brought in. In order to facilitate that then a shake-up is probably a good thing as you say though, it's only as good as our recruitment.

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