Londonwell Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 He’s a loan spell away from the Nou Camp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Seriously though, if we got £1 million for Cadden that would be incredible business by the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, Londonwell said: Seriously though, if we got £1 million for Cadden that would be incredible business by the club. I agree - if he had the ability to beat a man he'd be some player, but he can't. The club seems to think they'll get at a minimum a £600,000 development fee ( I think ). I'd rather see him out of the club and have his first team squad place filled by David Turnbull, who looks to be more gifted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, WellView said: It's a completely normal way of doing business in the professional leagues. Out of interest when's the last time a Scottish club outwith Celtic did something like this? Or failing that, any club of similar stature to ourselves? Isn't it normal practice for loans to go down the football ladder/pyramid rather than up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) Last season the default price that was being quoted in the press for players seemed to be £500k. Seems we've bumped that up to a milli. Which is nice. Progress... I touched on it the other day but it seems notable that it's another two Championship sides apparently showing interest. The key part here from the POV of the model is the sell on %. He's going into the last year of his deal, we've a got a base level to work from in terms of development compensation but it's clearly in our interests to get a relatively competitive price up front but you'd imagine there'd be a bit of flexibility there if we can include a sell on clause. I can see us being interested in dealing with both Millwall and Wigan (history there going back to McCulloch and McMillan). Both would be decent moves for Cadden, given Hutchinson's a fixture in the Millwall side I could see that being quite appealing. There's still plenty of scope for him to improve and a mid level Championship side who'd be invested enough to play him seems a pretty sensible next step for him. Anyway, a milli? Yes please... Edited June 29, 2018 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, nsr said: Out of interest when's the last time a Scottish club outwith Celtic did something like this? Or failing that, any club of similar stature to ourselves? Isn't it normal practice for loans to go down the football ladder/pyramid rather than up? Normal practice, yes - as the bigger clubs tend to have the money to buy outright. They don't have the same risk-averse profile as clubs such as ours. It doesn't mean to say that it can't happen. You do often see clubs of the same stature lending to each other. And you also see players going on trial at bigger clubs. The fear factor for the smaller club is that their player fails at let's say, Cadden to Wigan, and the money they thought they would get for him never materializes. It's a question of bottle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, WellView said: It doesn't mean to say that it can't happen. You do often see clubs of the same stature lending to each other. And you also see players going on trial at bigger clubs. Can you give an example of when it last worked for a club like ours? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, WellView said: Normal practice, yes - as the bigger clubs tend to have the money to buy outright. They don't have the same risk-averse profile as clubs such as ours. It doesn't mean to say that it can't happen. You do often see clubs of the same stature lending to each other. And you also see players going on trial at bigger clubs. There's a reason we don't loan out our players to bigger clubs with bigger budgets, and it's not because you're some kind of visionary. Great to see you're adding to your collection of whoppers though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, nsr said: Can you give an example of when it last worked for a club like ours? The list of clubs that take players on loan and subsequently sign them is as long as your arm every year. It's a proven business model. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, WellView said: The list of clubs that take players on loan and subsequently sign them is as long as your arm every year. It's a proven business model. OK, so what's the best example of a club like ours loaning a player upwards and getting big money for him at the end of the loan? Edited June 29, 2018 by nsr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 minute ago, WellView said: The list of clubs that take players on loan and subsequently sign them is as long as your arm every year. It's a proven business model. From that long list, can you provide examples of SPFL Premiership players going on loan to English Premier League/Championship clubs, before signing for them six months/a year later? Give me five examples from the last five years, to make it easy for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Desp said: There's a reason we don't loan out our players to bigger clubs with bigger budgets, and it's not because you're some kind of visionary. Great to see you're adding to your collection of whoppers though. The reason is that we have spent years desperate for the money due to the appalling contract policy of our board under Leanne Dempster. Visonary for suggesting we lend players rather than outright sell them? That's a cracker. Pick up a loan fee for Cadden - lend him out to one of the interested club - put in a trigger clause. Nothing visionary about that, it's normal business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, WellView said: Pick up a loan fee for Cadden - lend him out to one of the interested club - put in a trigger clause. Nothing visionary about that, it's normal business. Cadden has got 12 months left on his contract you absolute walloper. If we loan him out for a year, he's out of contract at the end of it and we get the set development fee whether he goes to Blackburn or Barcelona. No wonder you used to drive taxis for a living. Which holiday home are you posting from today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Wow, the business model of loaning players prior to potential transfer is being questioned on this board, Unbelievable stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Desp said: Cadden has got 12 months left on his contract you absolute walloper. If we loan him out for a year, he's out of contract at the end of it and we get the set development fee whether he goes to Blackburn or Barcelona. No wonder you used to drive taxis for a living. Which holiday home are you posting from today? Cadden is under 23 - all we need to do is offer him a contract on equal terms at the end of the season and we are guaranteed the development fee if he goes to a qualifying club, even if he doesn't sign the contract. The walloper here is you, as you don't know the transfer regulations involving players of his age bracket. Get an education about SPFL rules before you comment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I'd hazard to suggest a club like ours can't afford to be without one of our best players for a whole season on the off chance we *might* get some big money for him in a year's time. I'm guessing by the lack of examples given you're just making stuff up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, WellView said: Normal practice, yes - as the bigger clubs tend to have the money to buy outright. They don't have the same risk-averse profile as clubs such as ours. It doesn't mean to say that it can't happen. You do often see clubs of the same stature lending to each other. And you also see players going on trial at bigger clubs. The fear factor for the smaller club is that their player fails at let's say, Cadden to Wigan, and the money they thought they would get for him never materializes. It's a question of bottle. Word salad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On the subject of transfer or development fees - did anyone notice the fee on the accounts for Robbie Leitch? Or is it right enough we never got a fee as Burrows missed the offer date deadline and that made him a free transfer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellView Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Busta Nut said: Word salad. Your heid is right up Burrow's ass - can you answer this one re Leitch? Is it right enough we never got a fee as Burrows missed the offer date deadline and that made him a free transfer? Edited June 29, 2018 by WellView 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, WellView said: Your heid is right up Burrow's ass - can you answer this one re Leitch? Is it right enough we never got a fee as Burrows missed the offer date deadline and that made him a free transfer? Canny get near his "ass" right now. He's a busy man. I dunno anything about Leitch. So apologies. I am sure if you went to one of the AGM's or something you could ask these sort of questions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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