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5 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:

I think the watered down/injured version of Carson is clouding people's judgement. Carson was twice the goalie Kelly is. For me a least.

I'll respect yer opinions.

Agree, really felt for him with his serious health issues and how it affected his career with us, and selfishly what we missed out on. Great to see him back, doing his stuff fit and healthy, unfortunately with another club but wish him all the very best.

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39 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

I'd put Carson and Kelly around similar levels, with Gillespie slightly higher.

I'd agree with this - of all our "good" keepers over the years, Gillespie was probably the least "showy" - he didn't make many mistakes but wasn't one for big flashy saves either - he tended to rely on decent positioning and made a lot of stuff look easy as a result.

As we had the two on the books at the same time (which still feels crazy) - it's pretty wild to see how the Sliding Doors worked out for them - Gillespie is a millionaire who trains for a living at an EPL team, Carson is still at the same level due to Celtic taking the piss and his DVT.

Carson = good guy and I hope he has a decent end to his career.

 

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I would say peak Carson was better than Gillespie.  The latter seemed to get a bit more attention on him as he was fond of a penalty save or three.

Fair fucks to Gillespie though.  He knew full well that he was going to Newcastle simply to fulfil a requirement to have x amount of 'homegrown' players.  He knew that he'd never play in the first team at EPL level, but his bank balance will be sensational and he's back living at home.  There's an argument that it's a waste of some of the most important years of his career, but he'll have some good stories to tell his mates in 10/20 years time. Plus, he's training with top level 'keepers and coaches which will see him alright when he inevitably falls down the leagues when his contract is up. 

As for Kelly?  I very much doubt we'll see a return on the quite significant (for our standards, anyway) we shelled, and continue to shell, out on him.

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4 minutes ago, Desp said:

As for Kelly?  I very much doubt we'll see a return on the quite significant (for our standards, anyway) we shelled, and continue to shell, out on him.

I don't know if that showed up in the last accounts as they are always quite far behind by the time of the AGM - but I've never heard how much we actually paid as a transfer fee for Kelly.

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8 minutes ago, Londonwell said:

Gillespie was a really good shot stopper but I always thought his distribution was lacking. Carson could ping it out his hands 60 yards to start an attack. Carson for me, everyday. 

Kelly's distribution is fckn woeful.

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7 minutes ago, Dosser1886 said:

Kelly's distribution is fckn woeful.

Aye. Kelly is a good keeper for us but he lacks presence and as you say his distribution is toilet. I would think his ceiling isn’t too much higher than where he is just now with us. Perhaps that’s a little unfair on him.

 

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27 minutes ago, Dosser1886 said:

Kelly's distribution is fckn woeful.

Aye it really is. The amount of times on Sunday in particular he kicked it straight out for a throw in was ridiculous. He also makes me quite nervous with the amount of time he's seems to take with getting rid of a backpass when the opposition is charging him down which then either goes out for a throw in or it's too short and gives possession straight back to the opposition in our half.

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1 hour ago, Swello said:

I'd agree with this - of all our "good" keepers over the years, Gillespie was probably the least "showy" - he didn't make many mistakes but wasn't one for big flashy saves either - he tended to rely on decent positioning and made a lot of stuff look easy as a result.

Aye this is basically where I'm at. He didn't make some of the totally ridiculously athletic saves that Kelly and Carson can pull off but was just an incredibly, rock solidly, safe pair of hands. Basically saving half the penalties he faced also ingratiated him to me.

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In a direct comparison, Carson probably edges it for me over Kelly (currently) and Gillespie. 

However, what I would say is that we are comparing Carson pitching up to us at age 29 and playing in his peak years vs. Kelly who was 25 when he joined last year.  He's got plenty to improve but Kelly is a superb goalie with his best years well ahead of him. We should definitely enjoy it while he's here - some of the stops he makes are another level. Improvement in kicking and a wee bit more 'presence' would be great.

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I think there's definitely a degree of nuance with the 'keepers.

For me peak Carson was better than Gillespie but Gillespie was a far more consistent 'keeper who you'd get a 7 or 8/10 from most weeks. As @Swello says he wasn't a "showy" 'keeper but he was just consistently good.

The post-injury version of Carson definitely clouds folks judgement but when you think back to the period of the 18/19 season just prior to the DVT there were questions being asked. There were points where the ball just seemed to be going through him in a way that they weren't at his peak in 17/18.

However that 17/18 season Carson was superb and regardless of what happened with Celtic it's still wild that he didn't get his move that summer.

As for Kelly he's 3rd behind both of them (and probably 4th or 5th if you bring Randolph or Ruddy into the conversation and that's fine) but as @eliphas says he's also younger than Carson but the same age now as Gillespie was when he signed (26). He's a good goalkeeper for this level and in that respect he's probably been worth the investment regardless of whether we sell him on - the memories of having Samson, Twardzik and the like as starting GKs are still fresh enough that it's easy to appreciate the value of having a reliable goalkeeper.

I get that part of him signing for us from QPR was that we'd platform him and he's obviously been called up for Scotland squads but I'm not sure how helpful the whole "Scotland's future #1" patter is.

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47 minutes ago, Swello said:

I think Kelly's distribution has been really poor of late but unless my memory is playing tricks, he did that really well when he first arrived...

That's my recollection too. When he first came in I thought his distribution and long range accuracy were excellent. It's been absolutely chronic lately though, and the odd wonder save aside, I feel his overall game and presence has waned a little. Certainly still an above average keeper for our level though.

On the discussion around the other recent keepers, he's definitely behind both Carson and Gillespie, and of those two Trev edges it for me. A real shame the way his career has panned out as he was undoubtedly good enough to earn enough dough to see him into a very comfortable retirement. Echoing what others have said, it's great to see him back playing regularly and can only wish him all the best for remaining injury free and enjoying the rest of his playing days.

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11 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

I'm just happy with any keeper that isn't Craig fucking Samson.

That gets a greenie. 

There was a time when literally almost every save he made he seemed to spill for a tap in goal for the opposition. 

I take it all back. Compared to Samson Kelly is Donnarumma 😂

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