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5 minutes ago, Oystercatcher said:

Shite surface 😂😂😂😂

 

Aye come back with your emoji's when you spend over £500k on it. We've also had two manure dumps since mid July, grass is like a bowling green.

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7 hours ago, Kapowzer said:

Back on manager chat. Hard no on Simo from me, only reason he's getting a look in is he once wore the C&A. Find it hard to believe we're in a position to pay compo on top of compo for Alexander and his No. 2 to walk. That is unless Flao's get out of jail free clauses added in January were watertight. I would have assumed we're in the free agent/golfing category. Also if he's got his head screwed on he'd have phoned Ojala, asked him for the lowdown and given a frank heads up on what he'd be getting himself into.

A lot of things have surfaced in the past week on top of all the other stuff we kinda but didn't kinda know. I don't think the Flao/McMahon has covered themselves in glory with how the last few months have transpired. Alexander got a reprieve down to Lamie's napper. Fair enough, but we withheld transfer funds which tells us an earlyish Alexander departure was inevitable, they were just looking for the justification. That reeks of being governed by how you are perceived over what is in the best interests of the club. It was a fait accompli he was going, it was just a matter of when. There could have been a legitimate rationale that his character and style was affecting squad cohesion to get him out after the season ended. But to prove we're not a firing club we go into Sligo hobbled .... £350k in the bank but missing out on another easy £350k is quite a price to pay to make that point.

But let's not make too much of this, the starting eleven were by and large the same who mustered over 30 points in the first half of last season. We had enough in the tank to slot them away. Only Tony was missing ...... ahhh Tony.

Bets on Flao staring at the phone would ring from a club looking to permission to speak to him from mid May till mid July? I'd say pretty high.

However all of the above tells me that Flao probably has had a constantly evolving list from mid-March. Full of character breakdowns, stats, pro's and con's. I expect it to be pretty meticulous. The issue is they won't know if many on it will welcome our approach or not until we were in a position to do so 12 days ago.

I guess and hope the two secret names in the pot are of such calibre that it merits radio silence. Without knowing any names I'd be totally up for a seasoned No.2 with exposure to high end training regimes, standards and expectations looking for to step out of the shadow and make a name for themselves. Michael Beale is that sort of guy, at Ibrox it was said he was the guy who had them ticking. He's ended up at QPR as a result.

Some may look for a manager who's here for the long term, improvements year on year. I think we shouldn't ask from our manager what we've came to accept from our players. If we get someone and they're being head hunted next summer then there will be a reason for it and it won't be Championship football.

Is it too much to ask for someone to emulate McGhee's preseason, McCall's momentum, Craig and Archie's getting a run going with a load of pish and Gannon's nouse/luck in the transfer market. Also 3x +£1m academy graduates would be nice.

Re comments on Flow/McMahon and contract - More to do with the contract breaks/clauses being performance related. Clubs hands were tied in as much sacking in summer would have meant full compo or thereabouts. Exiting the Europa League and/or poor start to the league season would have gave them wiggle room. Alexander did a really come to them in the end and a deal was done. Should also be said, although both those guys lead the club and decisions, the whole board are involved in the decisions.

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1 hour ago, Handsome_Devil said:

Scott Burns today saying still four on the list, the mystery two aren't Thomson, Lambert or Duncan Ferguson.

someone at K park last night, involved in the club in some capacity, mentioned that Malky Mckay is possibly one of the options. 

I have no idea  who the guy is btw, and all he said was that it was a rumour going around fir park. Not claiming anything solid here at all.

anyway, the game last night. RE Tierney, showed flashes of what he is capable off, Particularly in the second half, managed to get on the half turn and drive at them, won the penalty and hit the post with a free kick. It was a very physical game, but he put himself about quite happily.

Kian Spiers and Adam Mcdonald were the stand outs, very tidy players, both physically up to it against older boys.

Ferrie up top, looks very quick, when he got the ball at his feet he looked dangerous, in the air though he was up against 2x two big central defenders so will definitely need to work on that side of things.

Definitely a few to watch out for. 

Also good to see Hammell, Burrows, Cornelius and Max Johnston along to watch. Assuming the latter is injured atm, otherwise he would have played.

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28 minutes ago, Neil86 said:

someone at K park last night, involved in the club in some capacity, mentioned that Malky Mckay is possibly one of the options. 

I have no idea  who the guy is btw, and all he said was that it was a rumour going around fir park. Not claiming anything solid here at all.

anyway, the game last night. RE Tierney, showed flashes of what he is capable off, Particularly in the second half, managed to get on the half turn and drive at them, won the penalty and hit the post with a free kick. It was a very physical game, but he put himself about quite happily.

Kian Spiers and Adam Mcdonald were the stand outs, very tidy players, both physically up to it against older boys.

Ferrie up top, looks very quick, when he got the ball at his feet he looked dangerous, in the air though he was up against 2x two big central defenders so will definitely need to work on that side of things.

Definitely a few to watch out for. 

Also good to see Hammell, Burrows, Cornelius and Max Johnston along to watch. Assuming the latter is injured atm, otherwise he would have played.

Thanks for the update / summary. Glad to read a more positive appraisal of Tierney. High hopes for him based on the fact we paid a fee and other clubs were supposedly sniffing about. As I felt he was underwhelming when he came on Saturday. 

As to the Manager situation I said yesterday I would like Mackay but I did not think that was likely. Compensation would need to be paid and again he probably has a bigger budget at Ross County.  Plus would he do the dirty on County after they gave him the opportunity that many including their own fans did not want him to get ! That said we are a marginally bigger club in terms of fan base and more so in terms of history etc and it could be seen as another stepping stone on his redemption arc. He has done a good job at County. Still doubtful imho.

Reading between the lines and from the tweet from yesterday Valakari would require even greater compensation so not sure how that is a starter. That said St Mirren were prepared to pay £100k for Robbo. £200k for a proven Manager would be a lot less than what we would lose through relegation. 

Still doubt an appointment will be made before Aberdeen game. Even if it is I doubt the new Manager would lead the team unless the new Manager is Hammell. 

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Just when you think it can’t get any worse than Neil Lennon and Glacé cherries, along lumbers noted racist and arsehole Malky Mackay. That’s a proper, genuine, ‘Widnae be back’ shout. 

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The more I think about it, the happier I'd be with the mystery box option.

Lambert and Thomson aren't bothered if they don't get then job - they just want a free advert showing they're available.

Folk credible enough to get to the last four and who feel secure enough in their status not to call the Sun straight after applying, or who would consider being being kb'd by Motherwell a blot on their reputation, are probably of a level we'd feel happier with.

Or so I'm telling myself anyway.

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If Mackay is viewed solely in football terms his record is highly impressive. 

Re his 'baggage'  clearly this can't be minimised but surely his evidenced rehabilitation as per voluntarily undergoing a re education programme allows him some slack.

Also need to remember that for us the sun didn't fall out the sky when we signed Gallagher .

 

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10 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

Aye I maybe should have worded it less flippantly, I just meant artificial pitches in general rather than K-Park specifically. 

I feel like the club have read your post and just decided to boot you square in the balls for no reason.

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5 minutes ago, Marinello said:

If Mackay is viewed solely in football terms his record is highly impressive. 

Re his 'baggage'  clearly this can't be minimised but surely his evidenced rehabilitation as per voluntarily undergoing a re education programme allows him some slack.

Also need to remember that for us the sun didn't fall out the sky when we signed Gallagher .

 

THIS...

Quite the opposite. After his 1st season Gallacher was lauded as our best player and a great signing.  Q a few saying well I never accepted him.  A man who assaulted someone with a baseball bat and served time in prison.

I respect everyone's views and I knew the mere mention of Mackay would prompt a response. What Mackay did was wrong. Plain and simple. I am sure everyone who is naysayer has led an exemplary life until now and made no mistakes. 

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I don't know if it's a knock on from there not really being any betting markets outside of McBookie but it's been interesting that there have been few, if any, names linked/reported from the sort of managerial pool we've historically tended to look at ie: L1 in England - the McCall/Alexander sort of profile.

As much as some folk on here are clutching their pearls about the squad and what not I genuinely don't see that the job would be any less appealing now than any other time it's been vacant. Not least as we're only two games (of which we've won 1 and lost the other in the 94th minute) into the league season and there are still 3 weeks of the window open for a manager to do a bit of business.

Are those circumstances really any worse than being joint bottom of the table in January having been scudded 3-0 by Accies? Not for me, Clive.

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12 hours ago, welldaft said:

It would appear to be almost exactly the same sadly. 

How did the young boys play tonight ? 

Basically, they actually played pretty well apart from the first and last minute.

But in both of those times, they let themselves down and Conceded 2 goals. It's a shame since they were pretty dominant in the second half but it is what it is.

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2 minutes ago, welldaft said:

THIS...

Quite the opposite. After his 1st season Gallacher was lauded as our best player and a great signing.  Q a few saying well I never accepted him.  A man who assaulted someone with a baseball bat and served time in prison.

I respect everyone's views and I knew the mere mention of Mackay would prompt a response. What Mackay did was wrong. Plain and simple. I am sure everyone who is naysayer has led an exemplary life until now and made no mistakes. 

Malky Mackay has shown himself to be a racist, sexist, out of touch person on multiple occasions going by those texts/emails. That's not making a mistake that's a core personality trait. And that's only the texts we've seen I'm sure he'll have said countless more over and above. 

You don't need to have led an exemplary life to call out his behavior, and whilst people are due a second chance for me that person's second chance should not be at a community centric club like Motherwell FC. 

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12 minutes ago, welldaft said:

THIS...

Quite the opposite. After his 1st season Gallacher was lauded as our best player and a great signing.  Q a few saying well I never accepted him.  A man who assaulted someone with a baseball bat and served time in prison.

I respect everyone's views and I knew the mere mention of Mackay would prompt a response. What Mackay did was wrong. Plain and simple. I am sure everyone who is naysayer has led an exemplary life until now and made no mistakes. 

There's a difference between signing a player with Gallagher's baggage and what a management role represents.

By Burrows own admission part of the job brief is "representing the club, having the same mentality and ethos that we do about our community and our supporters. Someone who can lead, someone who can inspire".

It'd take a hard neck to preach that then wheel out a racist, sexist anti-Semite as your new manager.

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35 minutes ago, Blink182 said:

Malky Mackay has shown himself to be a racist, sexist, out of touch person on multiple occasions going by those texts/emails. That's not making a mistake that's a core personality trait. And that's only the texts we've seen I'm sure he'll have said countless more over and above. 

You don't need to have led an exemplary life to call out his behavior, and whilst people are due a second chance for me that person's second chance should not be at a community centric club like Motherwell FC. 

I think it would be bizarre if we tried to get Malky the racist - especially as it was mentioned at the AGM how central to the future direction the whole “ethical community club” thing was in terms of reaching beyond our current fan base. 

This is hard for me to say but I’d rather have Alex McLeish back (and hand him a big transfer budget) than Malky McKay. 

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