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3 hours ago, capt_oats said:

The O'Connor stuff just has the same energy as folk who were raging that we released Dan Twardzik. It's Luke Watt Syndrome.

In a broader sense it feels like people moving on has become the new stick to beat Alexander with because he did actually get into the Top 6 and managed to qualify for Europe so they can't have a moan about that now.

Special shout out to the brainiac who thinks that our GK coach moving to United is a sign that Alexander's going to "destroy our club". It must be fucking exhausting being this stupid.

I'm shocked to find yer man also had a take on Darragh O'Connor...

What is more baffling is he seems to have a decent CV judging by his Twitter bio. But fully agree both wild takes 🤔.

I am hardly happy when we lose, play poorly and lack cohesiveness as was the case for many games this year. But to get in such a rage over something quite innocuous is baffling. Now giving an extension to McGinley on the other hand…….just kidding Nathan 😉

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See, as far as DOC goes I'm almost certain that had this been a typical Robinson summer where we'd finished the season with like, 12 players contracted and 14 out of contract or whatever, there would be a fair chance he'd be getting extra year as an easy way to pad out the squad and we'd see if he'd develop any further (and if he didn't we'd either cut him loose or sign someone else the following January).

As it stands though we've 19 players contracted and 9 outfield players heading OOC. That's naturally going to have to be trimmed so we probably have space for 5 players in (that's before any resolution on Lamie and Donnelly). The manager's also on record as saying he feels we need to look to improve the squad.

As @Handsome_Devil and @Swello's posts highlight it's not an exclusive thing with this circumstance. Folk get bent out of shape on an annual basis with weird takes about relatively young players we've not seen much of getting released but to go back to a post @crazylegsjoe_mfc made the other day, if you were paying attention as to what was going on with the squad it seemed clear that O'Connor was primarily signed as a body to get us through the early stage of competitive games (and that's not a slight on him at all, I thought he was absolutely fine).

He's also at a stage in his career where he needs to be playing games on a regular basis.

With all that in mind it just feels weird that anyone's actually surprised that O'Connor's being let go, let alone people actually kicking off about it.

1 hour ago, welldaft said:

What is more baffling is he seems to have a decent CV judging by his Twitter bio. But fully agree both wild takes 🤔.

I am hardly happy when we lose, play poorly and lack cohesiveness as was the case for many games this year. But to get in such a rage over something quite innocuous is baffling. Now giving an extension to McGinley on the other hand…….just kidding Nathan 😉

Tbf, anyone who willingly self-defines as an entrepreneur is 100% OFTW in my book. I mean, I checked his TL to see if it was maybe an ironic bit he was doing but no, he just seems to be a seething mess about Alexander. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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2 hours ago, Handsome_Devil said:

Pat Nevin (!) once said on the fringes of an AGM, in the context of a couple of then high profile youths being released with little or no first team games, he could never understand Motherwell fans saying 'X didn't get a chance'. His two-fold point was one, we are not good enough that anyone remotely competent won't get a first team shot at some point and secondly, players get a chance every single day just not in the public eye. DOC had a whole season, including first team games with us, god knows how much training and bounce games, and then however many games with QotS, all of which will have been watched in detail by someone at the club. Had he been deemed good enough for another year, fine, but I'm amazed anyone is bothered it's gone the other day.

In my now 35 years of supporting Motherwell I don't think there's been one player,  be it a youth or senior, who we've voluntarily released which turned out to be a big error. If DOC turns out to be the guy who changes that fair play to him but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it.

 

I always felt Nicky Devlin was one.

Not a world beater but better than some of the players we’ve had since in his position. 

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I would imagine(or hope mibbe) that Alexander has already been given his budget for next season and he knows exactly who he's after backroom and playing staff wise and how much it'll cost and he's had to cut his cloth accordingly. If that means letting a few fringe players go then fine with me as long as it improves the club and the team.

As always time will tell.

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16 minutes ago, Kapowzer said:

I always felt Nicky Devlin was one.

Not a world beater but better than some of the players we’ve had since in his position. 

Whilst I agree Devlin is doing well at Livi now, when he left us he went to Stenhousemuir for a season, followed by Ayr for three seasons - before he ended up down South in League One.

That tells me we would probably have had to wait four years and a few loan spells roughly for him to get to the required level to be a first team regular. 

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9 minutes ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said:

Whilst I agree Devlin is doing well at Livi now, when he left us he went to Stenhousemuir for a season, followed by Ayr for three seasons - before he ended up down South in League One.

That tells me we would probably have had to wait four years and a few loan spells roughly for him to get to the required level to be a first team regular. 

Considering he came from Dumbarton farming him out to a championship club without the drop to Stenhousemuir for one season would have been better use of him. Don’t agree it would have taken 4 years to get back an adequate SPFL defender just because that’s how his career progressed.

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You can make a case saying we could/should have kept Devlin/Lawless/Craigan because they eventually turned out to be solid top level pros for a bit but there is also the argument they got there precisely because we let them go and they played seasons of first team football we just couldn't offer them.

I do agree Devlin was one I was surprised we didn't persevere with as iirc he was highly-rated when we signed him. But I don't think his current level makes him a massive error either even if you'd happily have him now.

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15 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said:

You can make a case saying we could/should have kept Devlin/Lawless/Craigan because they eventually turned out to be solid top level pros for a bit but there is also the argument they got there precisely because we let them go and they played seasons of first team football we just couldn't offer them.

I do agree Devlin was one I was surprised we didn't persevere with as iirc he was highly-rated when we signed him. But I don't think his current level makes him a massive error either even if you'd happily have him now.

Not a massive error no, just an example of perseverance and could have had someone who was better than some of players we've had in his position in the interim. However if we did that for everyone on our books then we wouldn't be Motherwell. For every Devlin there are 10 others who had faded into lower league obscurity or now working as personal trainers and we don't have the resources.

I'd put massive errors among Les not heeding Floa's advice to buy John McGinn from St Mirren when he was flashing the chequebook.

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7 minutes ago, Kapowzer said:

I'd put massive errors among Les not heeding Floa's advice to buy John McGinn from St Mirren when he was flashing the chequebook.

Hadn't heard that one before...ouch.

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38 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said:

Hadn't heard that one before...ouch.

To what degree, in a wider list of targets or specifically advised this guy is the mustard I doubt we will every really know. Also how many other "gems" were advised who are now at Gala Fairydean and alike. I suspect every Scottish player with promise has been discussed at some point at every club as a prospective target.

History is also always written by the victor and Les has nothing to do with us any more.

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If Nicky Devlin, a run of the mill mid-to-lower end SPFL defender, is the ‘one that got away’ then I think we’ve a pretty decent record at judging youth players’ potential. All the best Darragh, nothing but good luck to you. 

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Our "ones that got away" these days are really the ones we sold prematurely from our point of view. Ben Hall looked decent before he went - who knows if he would have matured into a good defender if he took the Shaun Hutchinson approach. We never even saw McKinstry obviously. 

I think the chances of both us and "big club" academies missing a hidden gem are pretty low TBH.

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It's hard to predict when a player may breakout, and some don't. In cases like Craigan, a couple of seasons of regular football worked wonders for him, and we were able to bring him back for a great spell.

Some players may just need the right system, club, or manager to click, but in general being released by us doesn't work out too well.

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