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12 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

I don't know how to word this as I know Luton finished above Preston last season and will likely do so again, but I often wonder if players are better going to "smaller" sides down South. "Grand old teams" like Preston are filled with weird notions they belong in the top flight so everything is short term, don't perform for a month and you're punted as they sprint down the next rabbit hole that they see. Clubs like Luton understand the highs and lows of things and give players/managers time. Looking back Luton just seems like a really good fit for Campbell so he/his agent deserve credit for that, Preston was just a stupid move for McCann as he chased the money. 

Thinking back to last January's window when we kb'd Millwall's approach for Campbell, Rowett came out after the window had closed and said:

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“We had some really good targets, a couple of young players in Scotland who have done really well at their clubs and we saw real potential for the future – not necessarily right now."

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The fact that he ended up at Luton where they seem invested in him and brought him in with a view to making him part of the first team rather than "potential for the future" feels important.

On @YassinMoutaouakil's earlier point about trying to be selective with the clubs we deal with I kind of wonder if the fact that both Robinson and Alexander played for Luton came into things. Like, Campbell was OOC so we didn't really get a say but I half wonder if we helped sell them on the player.

As a league the Championship just feels like the sort of platform where you get one shot, one opportunity (if you will) and if you don't take it you're fucked. If you don't hit the ground running then you're quickly forgotten and they'll find another player to take your place. There's absolutely zero settling in time.

Jimmy Scott seems like a good example of Championship move gone wrong.

Signs for a club comfortably mid-table, injured on literally his first day of training, he's out for 6 months, pandemic hits, players refuse to extend their contracts to enable them to play the remaining games and by the time he's back Hull have slipped from 13th to 20th and end up relegated.

Now he's papped out on loan and can't get into the Hibs team (though by all accounts he's not really helped himself much there).

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I know a lot of the EPL/EFL fanboys like to talk about the 'standard' of Scottish Football (it boils my piss, btw!) but I was at Preston v Barnsley back in December. It was fucking guff. 

Considering some of these players were on £10k a week (at least!) it was dire stuff. You've literally got clubs clinging on for dear life (hiya Derby!) in some quest to reach the Premier League and get relegated so they can fill their coffers (good afternoon Norwich!). It's insanity and I await the next ITV Digital style collapse. 

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14 minutes ago, Desp said:

I know a lot of the EPL/EFL fanboys like to talk about the 'standard' of Scottish Football (it boils my piss, btw!) but I was at Preston v Barnsley back in December. It was fucking guff. 

Considering some of these players were on £10k a week (at least!) it was dire stuff. You've literally got clubs clinging on for dear life (hiya Derby!) in some quest to reach the Premier League and get relegated so they can fill their coffers (good afternoon Norwich!). It's insanity and I await the next ITV Digital style collapse. 

Ali McCann is on around 10K before any bonuses so I'd imagine a few will be on a fair bit more.

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20 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

Announced a couple of days ago but that's Andy Rose retired at 31.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYufXaOvhti/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

He's taken up a role as assistant coach at Seattle Sounders.

Immediately pencilling him in above Simo for the next vacancy.

Bring him home.

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Seems a young age for him to retire. I don't remember him being injury prone or anything like that.

I loved Andy Rose and will fight anyone who says he isn't one of the most underrated players ever to play for us (certainly in my 20+ years as a fan).

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30 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

Seems a young age for him to retire. I don't remember him being injury prone or anything like that.

I loved Andy Rose and will fight anyone who says he isn't one of the most underrated players ever to play for us (certainly in my 20+ years as a fan).

Chris Porter for me... 

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36 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

Seems a young age for him to retire. I don't remember him being injury prone or anything like that.

I loved Andy Rose and will fight anyone who says he isn't one of the most underrated players ever to play for us (certainly in my 20+ years as a fan).

Does he not have diabetes or some other long term condition? 

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27 minutes ago, Swello said:

Does he not have diabetes or some other long term condition? 

Aye it's mentioned in the news story the Sounders put up.

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Rose was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes when he was 26 and launched Type 1 United at the start of 2020 while playing for Whitecaps FC. The community initiative, in partnership with Diabetes Canada, connects with T1D children and their family.

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13 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

Alan Forrest to St Johnstone will be an interesting parallel to our situation with Watt and United, depending on if a deal happens and how much money Livi end up getting.

This window feels absolutely nuts in terms of teams trying to chuck some money around.

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9 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

This window feels absolutely nuts in terms of teams trying to chuck some money around.

I doubt we'll go to 6 figures for Forrest tbh, or Rudden.

Deas was different was he's got a long deal.

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36 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

Funded by the ScotGov loans in St Johnstone's case, I suspect.

Random Guy will come on with a well thought and structured retort to prove u r wrong.

Tree House Tam Will call u a CNUT and threaten to batter your head in….

Drama Popcorn GIF by Alexander IRL

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In all seriousness we seemingly have approaching £5m sitting in the bank before you add in the government money.

I hope we get properly desperate in the end and start launching mega bids all over the shop.

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1 hour ago, thisGRAEME said:

I stand with Desp. A wonderful player.

Add me to that list. Porter was (for a centre forward) a really undemonstrative player - just quietly went about his business and he got shots on target more than other other 'Well striker I've seen.

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Chris Porter for me... 
Was Porter underrated? I seem to remember everyone loving him (quite rightly).

Edited to add, totally agree on Andy Rose. I thought he was a cracking player who just went about his business with little fuss. Spoke so well when interviewed too.
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33 minutes ago, fat_tony said:

Was Porter underrated? I seem to remember everyone loving him (quite rightly).

No, it's a play on a few folk on twitter who seemed to hit out with this patter every time he (possibly still) scored in England.

He was fucking great, everyone knew it and everyone loved him.

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