well fan for life Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Also, just to add, it was an absolute treat to find @thisGRAEME was doing The Terrace pod after the result on Sunday and after my initial caution I'm more than happy to fall in line with his shout that we've had the best window of any team in the league. On this point I agree. Although I definitely did not agree until about 3 weeks ago. I had the absolute fear we'd be starting this season with a midfield of Crawford, Maguire & an unfit Donnelly with a very, very raw Cornelius as the only backup and relying on Lamie (who has actually been fairly sound when called upon this season tbf). But we've clearly played the long game and it's paid off for sure. Slattery looks like a class act in midfield. It's definitely odd to say that I don't think you notice the lack of Campbell as much as you would otherwise. The going backwards to go forwards thing that's been pointed out has also kind of alleviated the need to try and fit Lawleff in as a 10. Or indeed anyone in that position. Just allow O'Hara to rampage about and have the Scandinavian gods pick out passes. Also the chat about James Scott was a laugh. We were right to sell him for £1.5 million, even if he might have benefited from a longer stint in the first team here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillips455 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, capt_oats said: It's not the same thing but I've been thinking for a while about the difference between this team/set-up and the positions we found ourselves under Robinson where post-match he'd have the excuse (for want of a better word) about us being a "young" side and talk about naivety or whatever. That game against County where we were up with 15 to go and ended up down to 10 men and shipping 2 springs to mind. This version of the team and #Grezzaball seems to put us in a much better place in terms of "game management" and a player like Slattery (who's still only 22 and has a handful of first team games) seems to be absolutely massive in making that work. I suppose the point I'm getting at is that while teams are having a shitload of possession against us it feels less "backs against the wall" than it would have previously because there's more of an element of control in what we're doing. Or something. Also, just to add, it was an absolute treat to find @thisGRAEME was doing The Terrace pod after the result on Sunday and after my initial caution I'm more than happy to fall in line with his shout that we've had the best window of any team in the league. Basically we are causing oppoments to do this: Any real attacking threat is neutralised before it becomes an issue. Even Rangers Goal would have been cleared if he didn't get the advantage of being offside. It may jot be pretty but when has scottish football ever been a pretty game? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Phillips455 said: Basically we are causing oppoments to do this: Any real attacking threat is neutralised before it becomes an issue. Even Rangers Goal would have been cleared if he didn't get the advantage of being offside. It may jot be pretty but when has scottish football ever been a pretty game? I know there's been a lot made of the number of shots Aberdeen & Rangers have had but did anyone here really think we were under the cosh. Ultimately if you force a team into needing to take shots from 20+ yards then that's no bad thing. Now at some point someone will put one into the top corner but I suppose it's averages innit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 34 minutes ago, well fan for life said: On this point I agree. Although I definitely did not agree until about 3 weeks ago. I had the absolute fear we'd be starting this season with a midfield of Crawford, Maguire & an unfit Donnelly with a very, very raw Cornelius as the only backup and relying on Lamie (who has actually been fairly sound when called upon this season tbf). Please see also Mugabi. I wish I had never seen his first three games for us. I still get the fear when I see him in the lineup. But has he actually let us down over the past 12 months? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, ropy said: Please see also Mugabi. I wish I had never seen his first three games for us. I still get the fear when I see him in the lineup. But has he actually let us down over the past 12 months? I think he almost gets shown as the nice guy/having a laugh guy but there's been some games the guy is a monster at the back. When he's on a game he's definitely a more than serviceable player at this level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, well fan for life said: I know there's been a lot made of the number of shots Aberdeen & Rangers have had but did anyone here really think we were under the cosh. Ultimately if you force a team into needing to take shots from 20+ yards then that's no bad thing. Now at some point someone will put one into the top corner but I suppose it's averages innit. I've assumed that is the thinking behind playing 7 centre halfs when we're winning with 15 mins to go - a team might do something great and score anyway or we might make a big mistake but the chances are low. On Bevis - he's getting picked ahead of everyone save the culturally Scandinavians so that tells its own story. I though he was a big reason that we defended our box so well against Aberdeen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, well fan for life said: I know there's been a lot made of the number of shots Aberdeen & Rangers have had but did anyone here really think we were under the cosh. Ultimately if you force a team into needing to take shots from 20+ yards then that's no bad thing. Now at some point someone will put one into the top corner but I suppose it's averages innit. To that point, here's the shot map from the Aberdeen and Rangers games. Of Aberdeen's 7 shots on target 5 of them were from the edge of the box or further. Of Rangers' 7 shots on target 4 were from the edge of the box or further(and the one they scored was offside). All shots in the spoiler. Aberdeen 13 of 21 outside the box. Rangers 13 of 24 outside the box. Spoiler Edited September 21, 2021 by capt_oats 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 ^^^ that's what I wanted to post but I couldn't be arsed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 how can there even be a doubt we had the best transfer window. We have brought in 6 starters who are a significant upgrade to what we had (except Kelly who is the same... obviously) Listened to @thisGRAEME point about us not missing Campbell and I mostly agree. I don't think there is a Campbell shaped hole in out midfield and Slattery isn't a replacement for Campbell either. I just think that the way Alexander sets up the front 3 it takes something away from what Campbell does in a pressing game so he wasn't as effective last season which means his absence isn't felt as much. Slattery is a ball playing midfielder who can play in tight areas and can get in about it. Genuinely can't think of a midfielder for us who had those combination of talents. If he starts to score goals too... My other take away from the podcast is that James Scott shouldn't model his game on Christian Doidge but Kevin Van Veen. Tall, rangy, comfortable on the wing but still intent on being a threat in the box. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, capt_oats said: Also, just to add, it was an absolute treat to find @thisGRAEME was doing The Terrace pod after the result on Sunday and after my initial caution I'm more than happy to fall in line with his shout that we've had the best window of any team in the league. Absolutely. Happy to admit I was more than sceptical around the time of the Airdrie debacle, but the core of the team that Alexander has put in place is starting to look like some very astute business. A spine of Kelly in goals, the two Scandinavian gods at centre back, Slattery in the middle, and big mental Kev up front is as solid a window as I can remember. All obviously well scouted and researched. Going back to Robinson times, the vast majority were punts and for every Johnson or Kipre, who was a real gamble himself, there were another 10 absolutely useless jobbers fired straight back into the sea. There will be far less wastage and turnover this time round (the bold and unseen Mich'el aside). I may well be (probably) wide of the mark, but with both Rangers and Celtic being poor so far, this has the feeling of a cup winning side to me either this year or next. Edited September 21, 2021 by 'WellDel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Interestingly we finished the game with 9 players from last year. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Phillips455 said: Basically we are causing oppoments to do this: Any real attacking threat is neutralised before it becomes an issue. Even Rangers Goal would have been cleared if he didn't get the advantage of being offside. It may jot be pretty but when has scottish football ever been a pretty game? The sixties , maaan ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, well fan for life said: I know there's been a lot made of the number of shots Aberdeen & Rangers have had but did anyone here really think we were under the cosh. Ultimately if you force a team into needing to take shots from 20+ yards then that's no bad thing. Now at some point someone will put one into the top corner but I suppose it's averages innit. I would have thought Tavernier would be a possible 20 yard specialist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Swello said: I've assumed that is the thinking behind playing 7 centre halfs when we're winning with 15 mins to go - a team might do something great and score anyway or we might make a big mistake but the chances are low. On Bevis - he's getting picked ahead of everyone save the culturally Scandinavians so that tells its own story. I though he was a big reason that we defended our box so well against Aberdeen. " culturally Scandinavians " !? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 McKinstry makes his Leeds debut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Hahaha don't listen to me you maniacs. 4 minutes ago, capt_oats said: McKinstry makes his Leeds debut. That loan gets further and further away every window eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: That loan gets further and further away every window eh? He's just scored the winning pen in their shoot out. Does make me wonder if a first team appearance triggers an add-on or the like. Quote "Marcelo Bielsa’s side agreed a compensation package that will see Motherwell receive a guaranteed fee with the opportunity to earn further, should he progress and/or Leeds sell him in the future." Link Edited September 21, 2021 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I’m not jumping on the hype train just yet. Steelmen will be mental when we lose a few games with the way we’re currently playing.I hope the Scandinavian gods are as good as we think they are. I also hope the fees were low. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Ewan8472 said: " culturally Scandinavians " !? You need to go back about 20 odd pages......! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gianfranco said: I’m not jumping on the hype train just yet. Steelmen will be mental when we lose a few games with the way we’re currently playing. I hope the Scandinavian gods are as good as we think they are. I also hope the fees were low. I would normally be more cautious at this stage - but after the absolute fucking purgatory of last season, it's just nice to be excited about the team again, so f**k it - we're massive. Also - I want draw the thread's attention to item 6 on the Bread section of the menu of the indian I had - could be popular in some quarters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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