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Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

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To be honest I'll be glad to see the back of Ross MacLean, entirely due to his name giving me PTSD flashbacks to the Celtic 4-3 game. Bit of a shame for the guy that by far his best Motherwell performance will forever in my mind be associated with the most traumatic football game I've ever experienced.

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Andy Rose has hardly played in the last 3 months or so, I’m not surprised he looked a bit leggy at times coming into a game like that.  It was a ridiculous challenge for the penalty though, Christie was going absolute nowhere.

As for Tait, he’s one that’s been below par all season and I’m not sure it’s anything to do with fitness. I wonder if being played out of position is taking it’s toll on him? His best qualities when he joined were his engine to get up and down the park, allied with his ability to deliver a cracking cross with either foot. These days he offers virtually nothing going forward. When was the last time he actually set up a goal, Aberdeen at Hampden?  

Do agree with @fat_tony about McHugh though, thought he was excellent again the other night and I actually think he’s been one of our better players this season- unfortunately he’s just prone to moments of absolute madness from time to time. 

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16 hours ago, wellboy1991 said:

Think Richard also needs to get back involved then as he is blowing out his arse aswell.


Whilst he is at it he can maybe take Andy Rose. His fitness is a shambles and he was utterly rotten after coming on.

Get these guys on the Grimmy fitness plan.

 

By the same token, get Grimmy on the 'pass a football five fuckin yards' plan.

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16 hours ago, dezz said:

Si Ferry doing one of his interviews with Louis Moult next week.

Can’t wait to find out if the older boys were good wae him and whether or not the youngsters have it too easy nowadays.

SO THEN YOU ENDED UP AT PRESTON BET THAT WAS SOME LAUGH EH HAHAHAHAHAH

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Did Moult even play with Tommy Gravesen?

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Had a quick dip into Steelmen for the first time in a while earlier and I noticed that aside from the quiet seethe from some that's palpable in certain threads, it seems like the chat is we're unlikely to see Tanner again this season after his injury set-backs. Which is fairly pish for all concerned.

There was a decent amount of conversation on here that we could have been doing with adding a Tanner-a-like to the squad in the summer regardless of his condition so I wonder if this is one of the "first team" areas Robinson's talking about with our new approach to transfer strategy in January.

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I see the Sun has us, along with Rangers and Celtic as being interested in entering a colt team in this new League 3 effort that's been mentioned. From a totally selfish Motherwell point of view, I guess it would be better than reserve football and would help ready players for the first team, but I'm not a fan of the Colts stuff to be honest and think it risks making a bit of a mockery of th e lower leagues..

I've not read a detailed proposal for this but there are so many questions that pop up - eg, what if a colt team wins the league or gets relegated into the lowland league? How much movement is allowed between Colts and 1st team squads during the season?, etc

Interested to hear the club's view....

 

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12 hours ago, Swello said:
I see the Sun has us, along with Rangers and Celtic as being interested in entering a colt team in this new League 3 effort that's been mentioned. From a totally selfish Motherwell point of view, I guess it would be better than reserve football and would help ready players for the first team, but I'm not a fan of the Colts stuff to be honest and think it risks making a bit of a mockery of th e lower leagues..
I've not read a detailed proposal for this but there are so many questions that pop up - eg, what if a colt team wins the league or gets relegated into the lowland league? How much movement is allowed between Colts and 1st team squads during the season?, etc
Interested to hear the club's view....

As far as the club goes Craigan’s been vocal in his support of it. Pretty sure Lasley has too.

Edit: I seem to recall some comments from Burrows being pretty pro-league reconstruction generally (rather than Colt specific).

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So after Wednesday's excellent, yet completely undeserved and hugely fortunate point, we serve up yet another dismal performance today and lose.

This is a rotten team with a manager who has run his course and things won't improve until we have a change in the dugout - and that's just for starters. 

We have been awful all season and only did the business against the only two sides in the league that are actually worse than we are and one of those wins took a wonderful strike from the only player to give us something to smile about this season. And before anyone shoves the Aberdeen win and the draw against Celtic in my face, we were lucky in both of those games. We were lucky that Aberdeen didn't have their shooting boots on and then decided to gift us two goals from nothing and we were even luckier against Celtic in that they played in 2nd gear yet still bossed us throughout but had a goal wrongly disallowed and then missed a penalty before taking their foot off the pedal allowing us to snatch a point late on.

Any positive result is welcome, but as I said all they do is paper over the ever growing cracks and give Robinson and this team a stay of execution as we inevitably get found out for the shower of shite that we are in the next match (7-1 at Ibrox, last week at Livingston and then again today at Hearts being clear examples of that). Nothing will change as the season progresses and the non football we offer up will drive away fans in their droves.

We badly need a change.

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I'm not in the Robinson Out!!! camp that gets a semi after every defeat  but in his post match interview he said that we showed "quality" today - and that really beggars belief as we *really* didn't....

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49 minutes ago, ropy said:

Any games we were unfortunate to drop points?

At a push, perhaps the 3-3 draw with Rangers in August but otherwise there's not one draw/defeat I could point to and say we were unlucky to drop points in.

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This season seems to have become a cycle of wins vs Dundee and St Mirren, occasional unpredictable performances out of nowhere against the bigger sides, and dismal 1-0 losses every other week. Reckon we'll do enough to keep our heads above water by May but f**k me is it going to be repetitive. 

Maybe we'll get a cup run.

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1 hour ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

This season seems to have become a cycle of wins vs Dundee and St Mirren, occasional unpredictable performances out of nowhere against the bigger sides, and dismal 1-0 losses every other week. Reckon we'll do enough to keep our heads above water by May but f**k me is it going to be repetitive. 

Maybe we'll get a cup run.

It kind of feels like we're relying on Accies, St Mirren and Dundee continuing to be shite. Which isn't ideal.

It seemed clear a while ago that we're really playing for 9th unless the wheels totally come off at Livi (which seems unlikely at the moment) and even then gaining 10 points on them (or 9 and 8 on Hibs and Aberdeen) seems improbable.

We've not beaten Hearts at Tynecastle since they came back up and Robinson's actually the only of our managers in that time to even take a point (last minute goal or not, it's still a point more than Baraclough or McGhee managed). In itself a 1-0 loss at Tynecastle with a poor performance is pretty much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

12/09/15 - Hearts 2 - 0 Motherwell (Baraclough)
16/01/16 - Hearts 6 - 0 Motherwell (McGhee)
26/11/16 - Hearts 3 - 0 Motherwell (McGhee)
09/12/17 - Hearts 1 - 0 Motherwell (Robinson)
27/01/18 - Hearts 1 - 1 Motherwell (Robinson)
26/09/18 - Hearts 4 - 2 Motherwell (LC QF) (Robinson)
08/12/18 - Hearts 1 - 0 Motherwell (Robinson)

Our form in the last 6 is WLWLXL which is 7th in the form table. We've largely fucked it so far this season and there's not that much to buy into which is a shame given the positivity off the back of the Cup runs and a largely creditable league position. Who knows, maybe Robinson will be able to pull something out the bag in terms of signings in January that might give us a bit of impetus as right now it seems pretty fucking flat.

As it stands though we're just limping through to January hoping the teams below us keep losing and we can pick up a couple of results here or there.

On that point, I noticed that of our first team squad not listed as injured that was Frear and ATS not in the match-day squad and Scott preferred to Newell on the bench as well. Would I be reading too much into that given Robinson saying his plan was "to move some of the squad players out"?

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I don't see the benefits of a colts team to Motherwell. There surely won't be fluid movement between squads, i.e. you'll have to name a squad for August to January, then January to May, and will Motherwell have a big enough squad to do that? And a club like Motherwell who rely on promoting, showcasing and selling young players will surely be frustrated if they have guys doing well and can't use them in the first team? 

Plus the whole idea is rotten and geared towards benefiting two clubs ahead of anything else. They will stockpile the best young players in the country. I'd be surprised and disappointed if AB didn't see that. 

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1 hour ago, Radford said:

I don't see the benefits of a colts team to Motherwell. There surely won't be fluid movement between squads, i.e. you'll have to name a squad for August to January, then January to May, and will Motherwell have a big enough squad to do that? And a club like Motherwell who rely on promoting, showcasing and selling young players will surely be frustrated if they have guys doing well and can't use them in the first team? 

Plus the whole idea is rotten and geared towards benefiting two clubs ahead of anything else. They will stockpile the best young players in the country. I'd be surprised and disappointed if AB didn't see that. 

I think that playing against mens teams in the Irn Bru cup has turned their head a bit - and to be fair, I can see that more competitive games would let young players experience something more akin to first team football. My main problem is that with squads locked in as you say, we lose the flexibility to bring players in when we are struggling with injuries, etc and it might mean that we need to run with a bigger squad overall, diluting the quality even further than it is now.

Also, acting as the OF's little helpers in this gives me the boke quite honestly.

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9 minutes ago, Swello said:

I think that playing against mens teams in the Irn Bru cup has turned their head a bit - and to be fair, I can see that more competitive games would let young players experience something more akin to first team football. My main problem is that with squads locked in as you say, we lose the flexibility to bring players in when we are struggling with injuries, etc and it might mean that we need to run with a bigger squad overall, diluting the quality even further than it is now.

Also, acting as the OF's little helpers in this gives me the boke quite honestly.

And what happens if you get relegated? Or decide your youth development system is costing too much?

Motherwell are only being invited because it means the Old Firm can claim it's not just them who'll be benefiting. In this situation you're little other than a third wheel being dragged along to watch two other folk pump each other. 

I'd lose a lot of respect for Motherwell if they agreed to that. 

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Allowing 'colts' teams in the Challenge Cup is a travesty. The idea of a lower tier of colts mixed in with established clubs' first teams can get in the sea, whether Motherwell would benefit or not.

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