Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons

[capt_oats]

2 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

KVV is fucking great to watch right now, if that lob had went in I think we might just have hung on.

Massive edit from me: Turns out he's actually matched Moult's 18. Transfermarkt hadn't updated when I looked earlier. Sorry Kev.

I mean, he's now 1 short of matched Moults best over a season (18) and is 1 short of his best in the league (15).

He's on 18 17 for the season at the moment so, barring injury, given the form he's in it wouldn't be a huge surprise if he breaks 20. He'll be 32 in June.

That extension he signed just before Alexander was launched feels like one of the better choices we made through the summer.

Edited March 18, 2023 by capt_oats

[Mr. Brightside]

I'm still raging at the first Rangers goal.

Stupid freekick to give away
Wall doesn't jump
Kelly is in a different postcode

[Handsome_Devil]

58 minutes ago, welldaft said:

Especially as at one point United and Killie were winning.

As you say could have been a lot worse and we have one of the Old firm games out of the way ! 

 

If we'd been offered these results this morning you'd have banked them with glee.

[welldaft]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said:

I'm still raging at the first Rangers goal.

Stupid freekick to give away
Wall doesn't jump
Kelly is in a different postcode

I am beyond caring if Kelly gets a cap. I go to all the home Scotland games and actually him getting a cap gives me the fear.

I mean I would be happy for him and he probably deserves it based on being is so many squads. But that 1st goal today highlights that he has too many weaknesses.  If he stands in the middle it is a routine save .

[Busta Nut]

9 hours ago, thisGRAEME said:

Please start attending games as a juggalo.

I live my life as a Juggalo. We don't always paint our faces and rap about fuckin' a bee hive.






Slattery is shite tbh. His free kick the other week aside he does nothing but give the ball away or give fouls away.

Liam Kelly... you all know how I feel about Kelly. I feel like he's "Dan Twardzik'd" us. He was great on loan too and ultimately ended up shite.

I love Van Veen.

 

[Handsome_Devil]

There'll be people more up on the technical details than me but I just don't understand what he was thinking with his angles.

Normally the GK takes a side, the wall the other and if the guy sticks it inside the post wall side you say 'too good' because you can't cover the whole goal.

But this applies to free kicks vaguely in the centre surely, not way out where today's was. Kelly could have been basically in the middle because he'd still have had the advantage on the angle to cover the GK side unless JT really hammered something special right into either corner. 

Instead he invited him to hit a huge area with little more than a dink, because of the rangers 'wall' he only saw it late and that was that.

 

[Mr. Brightside]

My honest opinion on keepers and walls at free-kicks, is that it seems to me that a large proportion of keepers would rather avoid being embarrassed than take a risk and save it, which is why they stand so close to the far post. Half a step to his right and Kelly saves that today, and you see that sort of thing all the time.

[YassinMoutaouakil]

Would be amazed if there was anybody in Fir Park that didn't expect Tavernier to score from there. Basically felt as good as in when the free kick was given.

[Handsome_Devil]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said:

My honest opinion on keepers and walls at free-kicks, is that it seems to me that a large proportion of keepers would rather avoid being embarrassed than take a risk and save it, which is why they stand so close to the far post. Half a step to his right and Kelly saves that today, and you see that sort of thing all the time.

I agree on that but when fans, pundits and no doubt even some less goalkeeping-inclined managers regularly trot out the nonsense clichés of never getting beat at the near post or the GK side at a free kick etc, I can also understand why they take the alibi.

[Mr. Brightside]

Just now, Handsome_Devil said:

I agree on that but when fans, pundits and no doubt even some less goalkeeping-inclined managers regularly trot out the nonsense clichés of never getting beat at the near post or the GK side at a free kick etc, I can also understand why they take the alibi.

Yeah I can understand it too, but my take on it would be "if they stick one in the far post top bin then fair play"

[Swello]

21 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said:

Would be amazed if there was anybody in Fir Park that didn't expect Tavernier to score from there. Basically felt as good as in when the free kick was given.

I said as much at the time - but I expected it to go into the far top corner.

As bad as his part in it was, I think the frustration of the free kick shouldn't all be put onto Kelly BTW - it was a stupid one to give away and extra frustrating because Rangers had created f**k all up until that point, even if they were in the ascendency. 

 

[thisGRAEME]

It was fucking atrocious from Kelly. Set up the space for him to put it into thedn didn't move his feet to get there.

Fair play if he leathers it in the postage stamp, hold your hands up and sigh at Slattery doing it in the first place, but it wasn't.

All in all; annoying. Annoying 90 minutes. Annoying goals to lose. Annoying mistakes. 

That said; Dan Casey popping up, on his own, in the 18 yard box, having run the length of the pitch, is one of the funniest things I've seen all season. Who knew he had it in him!

[Ludo*1]

51 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:

I live my life as a Juggalo. We don't always paint our faces and rap about fuckin' a bee hive.






Slattery is shite tbh. His free kick the other week aside he does nothing but give the ball away or give fouls away.

Liam Kelly... you all know how I feel about Kelly. I feel like he's "Dan Twardzik'd" us. He was great on loan too and ultimately ended up shite.

I love Van Veen.

 

I'm about to veer this miles off topic but it's always been something that's bewildered me! Did you lads genuinely appreciate Twardzik?

Always thought that was bizarre. Went from 3rd choice at us in the Championship and it was hardly outstanding keepers keeping him out the side - Kyle Letheren who was probably a middling Championship keeper but playing well and John Gibson who later looked out of his depth at Clyde - to getting a game for you in the top flight.

I appreciate his competition was Craig Samson and Samson is the reason my name on here is Ludo*1 - but Twardzik never even looked like a keeper. Looked like a wee boy in goal.

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

I'm about to veer this miles off topic but it's always been something that's bewildered me! Did you lads genuinely appreciate Twardzik?

Always thought that was bizarre. Went from 3rd choice at us in the Championship and it was hardly outstanding keepers keeping him out the side - Kyle Letheren who was probably a middling Championship keeper but playing well and John Gibson who later looked out of his depth at Clyde - to getting a game for you in the top flight.

I appreciate his competition was Craig Samson and Samson is the reason my name on here is Ludo*1 - but Twardzik never even looked like a keeper. Looked like a wee boy in goal.

No he was pish. Got 5 clean sheets in a row on his initial loan. But you could tell is was luck and not skill, also the fact he was about 5ft2.

It was a stupid signing.

 

[Handsome_Devil]

5 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

I'm about to veer this miles off topic but it's always been something that's bewildered me! Did you lads genuinely appreciate Twardzik?

He had a good loan spell which included the game of his life (a 1-0 mugging of Aberdeen at Pittodrie) but was essentially crap afterwards.

[Swello]

16 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said:

That said; Dan Casey popping up, on his own, in the 18 yard box, having run the length of the pitch, is one of the funniest things I've seen all season. Who knew he had it in him!

I'm pathetically desperate for us to sign him - if he'd scored from that today it would be up there with Krivocapic vs Hibs back in the mists of time.

[capt_oats]

43 minutes ago, Swello said:

I'm pathetically desperate for us to sign him - if he'd scored from that today it would be up there with Krivocapic vs Hibs back in the mists of time.

90s Motherwell is the best Motherwell.

Edited March 18, 2023 by capt_oats

[wellboy1991]

So frustrated by that today. 
 

First goal is shit all round. Stupid free kick, followed by an awful attempt at getting the ball by Kelly. He actually puts his hand over the ball. 
 

Why he only goes again with one hand is so annoying, all he had to do was put his body across the way and he would have kept it out. I think he’s a shit bag. 
 

Second goal, straight after half time is a killer. Good cross but so easily beat in the air again. 
 

Third goal to me is offside. But even then we didn’t defend well enough and again Kelly palms the ball out rather than try and put it over the bar or round the post. 
 

Each of they goals were completely preventable. 
 

Slattery second yellow is a joke, Walsh could not wait to get his card out. He’s an utter fraud of a ref conned by Cantwell who is also an utter horrible human being. 
 

 

[Handsome_Devil]

23 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

90s Motherwell is the best Motherwell.

That's one of my all-time faves. Absolutely epic.

I'm also all aboard the 90s Motherwell is the best Motherwell though I strongly suspect it's more related to that being the decade of your formative years. As much as I'd argue for the 90s, previous generations of my family would give the Ancell Babes and the 30s the same accolade due to the exact combination of good teams at the right time.

[Kapowzer]

59 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said:

That's one of my all-time faves. Absolutely epic.

I'm also all aboard the 90s Motherwell is the best Motherwell though I strongly suspect it's more related to that being the decade of your formative years. As much as I'd argue for the 90s, previous generations of my family would give the Ancell Babes and the 30s the same accolade due to the exact combination of good teams at the right time.

It was a time before the UEFA money really kicked in. While there was a still gulf its wasn't anything like it is now. At the time Rangers could go toe to toe with the best in England and hold their own, the advent of Sky's deal was the first nail that killed that. Thing is, in those days we could hold our own with Rangers and Celtic (the latter was going through a torrid time). The general quality in the league was universally higher even among Scottish players. Our team in those days was 8 Scots with a few peppered foreigners rather than the opposite today.

Selling a player to a Premiership team wouldn't bat an eyelid in the 90's, now relegated Norwich is the peak expectation for your once in a generation player to end up. So either the pool is less with many more things for kids to do than stoat a ball off a wall, more streamlined and specialised coaching earlier, big academies soak players up and they ply their trade in reserve matches and behind closed doors which gets minimal exposure or some other factor. Probably a bit of everything.