PauloPerth Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Not sure I share Motherwell fans' optimism here. Yes, the whole thing is funny from a pointing and laughing at Celtic outsider's point of view, but there are no guarantees here at all. The poor lad has missed out on a financially life changing move. Granted, it could well come around again, even in the next few days if a team down south were to gamble despite the minor op. But he might not recover the form he had. It's not as if he did it over a long period of time and has sustained form at this level. I think back to Keigan Parker for us, as a 17-18 year old, he scored 9 Premiership goals by christmas in one of his first seasons, and everyone was raving about him. He never reached those dizzy heights again. Every club in the country will have an example of a player being the next big thing because of an outstanding period, only for them to fizzle away and have average careers with no big fees involved. Yes Motherwell fans are going to say Turnbull is different, but only time will tell. He might well end up going for more, but there is also a chance they never see a fee close to £3m for him again. Edited June 27, 2019 by PauloPerth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Tbh, it's less optimism with me and more a bit of relief that the whole thing seems to have been put on pause. The entire situation had reached a point where it had descended to legitimate farce and has pretty much dominated our entire pre-season. We're still 3 starting players short in our first XI but almost all our energy seems to have been directed towards managing this absolute shitshow. Reading this Football Scotland piece it sounds like it's Motherwell who collapsed the deal which going back to @Casagolda's post earlier today is exactly what needed to happen if only to kill the relentless speculation that's been going on for the past month. It had reached the point of tedium that I was ready to cave in my skull with a brick at even the vaguest mention of the saga. It seems that Motherwell got a second opinion from an independent specialist and there is consensus that he does indeed need the "preventative surgery" despite the player himself having been completely unaware there was an issue. It's shite for him but it's not like Celtic have taken a sharpie to an MRI and faked something. Whether Norwich would have made as much of an issue had they noticed it who knows but the actual point of having medicals is to catch stuff like this and allow the buying club to make a judgement call. In that respect the deal on the table went from £3m+extras+ sell on % to "We'll take him on loan for a season and maybe sign him, no guarantees though lads". If Celtic decided they didn't fancy him then they pack him up and ship him back to Fir Park leaving him with a year on his deal. Also, presumably he wouldn't see that much heralded "magnificent" salary if he's still contracted as a Motherwell player and we sure as f**k aren't paying his £20k p/w. All in all it's a very different proposition to what was agreed and Motherwell had every right to bin it and re-evaluate their position without the clock running and Celtic putting on a heavy lean. Edited June 29, 2019 by capt_oats 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Keigan Parker ! Goodness me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: Keigan Parker ! Goodness me. Exactly the point I'm making Graeme. Wasn't always that way. He was the hottest prospect in the country at the time, Scotland under 21 cap whilst at St Johnstone, no mean feat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 At the end of the day, a massive well done is due to Alan Burrows and the board for not caving in to Celtic and their bullying tactics. Many a previous Motherwell regime would have caved in to the low ball offer or loan offer from Celtic so I'm delighted that didn't happen. This entire episode has been a farce and while we and the player have conducted ourselves well, Celtic have been a disgrace, firstly with their petulant dummy spitting statement when he initially went to speak to Norwich and then by trying to get us to take a cut price deal for what is our prize asset. The arrogance and entitlement from Celtic is despicable so again, well done to Motherwell for not bowing down to them. (And reading steelmenonline, well done to 'steelboy' as he clearly 'gets it' when it comes to Celtic and isn't afraid to call it as it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, capt_oats said: Tbh, it's less optimism with me and more a bit of relief that the whole thing seems to have been put on pause. The entire situation had reached a point where it had descended to legitimate farce and has pretty much dominated our entire pre-season. We're still 3 starting player short in our first XI but almost all our energy seems to have been directed towards managing this absolute shitshow. Reading this Football Scotland piece it sounds like it's Motherwell who collapsed the deal which going back to @Casagolda's post earlier today is exactly what needed to happen if only to kill the relentless speculation that's been going on for the past month and had reached the point of tedium that I was ready to cave in my skull with a brick at even the vaguest mention of the saga. It seems that Motherwell got a second opinion from an independent specialist and there is consensus that he does indeed need the "preventative surgery" despite the player himself having been completely unaware there was an issue. It's shite for him but it's not like Celtic have taken a sharpie to an MRI and faked something. Whether Norwich would have made as much of an issue had they noticed it who knows but the actual point of having medicals is to catch stuff like this and allow the buying club to make a judgement call. In that respect the deal on the table went from £3m+extras+ sell on % to "We'll take him on loan for a season and maybe sign him, no guarantees though lads". If Celtic decided they didn't fancy him then they pack him up and ship him back to Fir Park leaving him with a year on his deal. Also, presumably he wouldn't see that much heralded "magnificent" salary if he's still contracted as a Motherwell player and we sure as f**k aren't paying his £20k p/w. All in all it's a very different proposition to what was agreed and Motherwell had every right to bin it and re-evaluate their position without the clock running and Celtic putting on a heavy lean. I wonder where they got that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, PauloPerth said: It's not as if he did it over a long period of time and has sustained form at this level. I think back to Keigan Parker for us, as a 17-18 year old, he scored 9 Premiership goals by christmas in one of his first seasons, and everyone was raving about him. He never reached those dizzy heights again. Every club in the country will have an example of a player being the next big thing because of an outstanding period, only for them to fizzle away and have average careers with no big fees involved. The Jake Hastie effect, we like to call it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 I see the line is now that we're badly run, we aren't looking after Turnbull properly, and we were trying to pull a fast one. Some of the gymnastics being done is truly incredible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, MJC said: At the end of the day, a massive well done is due to Alan Burrows and the board for not caving in to Celtic and their bullying tactics. Many a previous Motherwell regime would have caved in to the low ball offer or loan offer from Celtic so I'm delighted that didn't happen. This entire episode has been a farce and while we and the player have conducted ourselves well, Celtic have been a disgrace, firstly with their petulant dummy spitting statement when he initially went to speak to Norwich and then by trying to get us to take a cut price deal for what is our prize asset. The arrogance and entitlement from Celtic is despicable so again, well done to Motherwell for not bowing down to them. (And reading steelmenonline, well done to 'steelboy' as he clearly 'gets it' when it comes to Celtic and isn't afraid to call it as it is. I'm not pretending Celtics statement churning of Sevco proportions was baffling but would you expect any club to say 'ach dont worry about the dodge knee I'm sure it will be fine'. It's the same reason why it appears no other clubs are coming calling now until it is sorted. Exactly what the terms and conditions were put forward would be pure speculation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 How long have Motherwell know about Turnbull’s glass knee? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Not as long as we have known about curtis mains inability to score goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellAnderson Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Not as long as we have known about curtis mains inability to score goals.Can we get a refund too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Naw , now piss off back to your buttery 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, thisGRAEME said: Keigan Parker ! Goodness me. Worth remembering he was considered one of the "hottest talents" in the country at one point. I'm sure he debuted for us at 16, and in 2000/01, at the age of 18/19, he'd scored 10 goals in 22 games in the top flight, including a goal against Rangers (Kenny Miller also scored that day ) I don't think he scored ten goals for us over his next three and a half seasons at the club combined. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) This seems fairly legit tbh (well as legit as a photo of a screenshot of a group chat can) Edited June 28, 2019 by YassinMoutaouakil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 People who share the contents of their group chat are worse than Hitler. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, accies1874 said: People who share the contents of their group chat are worse than Hitler. The group chat is a sacred place. Nothing should leave the group chat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedub-MFC Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Is that a picture of a screenshot of a screenshot of a group chat from an android phone on an iphone? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Luckily he doesn't say anything that's remotely controversial or wasn't known/guessed already - but it's really poor putting that out there.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 If anyone believes that is genuine, they need to get out more. FFS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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