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There is stats on Transfermarkt or whatever it is, that seems more accurate but don't seem that far oot.

ETA : still not having Rossiter though. He's not been stand out anytime I have seen him and from reading up on him he seems to have been constantly injured fae he was about 16.

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There is absolutely no reason for us to sign another centre mid at the moment unless anyone leaves. He COULD be the best midfielder if he signs but has he shown any real quality in the SPFL that he can do it, would he bring more to the table than the likes of Bigi, McHugh or even Grimmy? Preferably IMO I’d rather we sign a striker on a permanent and a really good left back on a permanent or possibly a loan as I’d really like Livingstone to break through. 

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Rossiter is a total non-starter. Robinson has already said that if he is to bring anyone in it will be a striker or a left back. This is likely just Rangers fed speculation to stoke up SPFL interest to take him on loan. I've been unimpressed by him any time I have seen him and his injury record is appalling. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a Championship team like Dundee Utd or someone take him.

The news regarding Turnbull is unexpected and a massive boast. I genuinely think we could have a top player on our hands. Wednesday was the first time I have seen Jake Hastie for a prolonger period too and I was really impressed, his ability to beat a man is great to watch. How refreshing is it to have young boys from the Motherwell area playing for the jersey? Honestly give me that over Vanarama non-entities any day of the week.

Wednesday reinforced to me the point that  in terms of techincal ability our Academy is producing some very good players. In terms of technique I think they are often better than the standard of player we have been rectruiting in the last year or so. There are some hidden gems for sure but I think the majority of the time the boys from L1, L2, Conference usually have better physical attributes more than anything else. My point is I think we should be trying to introduce the young guys earlier than we have been and supplementing these players with the natural attributes some of the boys elsewhere have. There is obviously some exceptions to this rule but generally speaking I think our youth are more techincally gifted than the level of player we are able to bring in.

Robinson can obviously point to the success of the young boys, Campbell and Turnbull but I genuinely think the likes of Turnbull would have made an impact last season. There has obviously been rumours about his relationship with Robinson, not sure how true these are to be fair. Interesting to hear Carson on the Si Ferry Podcast saying that him and some others had actually stressed to the manager last season that Turnbull should be in the team. I know there is a fine line managing young players but I would just like us to push these guys into the team a wee bit sooner.

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6 minutes ago, Luke92 said:

Rossiter is a total non-starter. Robinson has already said that if he is to bring anyone in it will be a striker or a left back. This is likely just Rangers fed speculation to stoke up SPFL interest to take him on loan. I've been unimpressed by him any time I have seen him and his injury record is appalling. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a Championship team like Dundee Utd or someone take him.

The news regarding Turnbull is unexpected and a massive boast. I genuinely think we could have a top player on our hands. Wednesday was the first time I have seen Jake Hastie for a prolonger period too and I was really impressed, his ability to beat a man is great to watch. How refreshing is it to have young boys from the Motherwell area playing for the jersey? Honestly give me that over Vanarama non-entities any day of the week.

Wednesday reinforced to me the point that  in terms of techincal ability our Academy is producing some very good players. In terms of technique I think they are often better than the standard of player we have been rectruiting in the last year or so. There are some hidden gems for sure but I think the majority of the time the boys from L1, L2, Conference usually have better physical attributes more than anything else. My point is I think we should be trying to introduce the young guys earlier than we have been and supplementing these players with the natural attributes some of the boys elsewhere have. There is obviously some exceptions to this rule but generally speaking I think our youth are more techincally gifted than the level of player we are able to bring in.

Robinson can obviously point to the success of the young boys, Campbell and Turnbull but I genuinely think the likes of Turnbull would have made an impact last season. There has obviously been rumours about his relationship with Robinson, not sure how true these are to be fair. Interesting to hear Carson on the Si Ferry Podcast saying that him and some others had actually stressed to the manager last season that Turnbull should be in the team. I know there is a fine line managing young players but I would just like us to push these guys into the team a wee bit sooner.

I agree with a lot of this tbh. I think there's room for some of the English lower league folk to come in as grafters but when you compare the actual footballing ability of Johnson & Main with Turnbull & Hastie it's night and day.

Hopefully Maguire gets a good 6 months of getting battered about the Championship and comes back ready to move in to our first team.

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Apologies if this already been mentioned but  I listened to Maurice Ross on the Si Ferry Podcast. Surprisingly came across as a smart enough guy with little self importance compared to your typical thick ex footballer with a bit of a chip on their shoulder when they have had to retire earlier than expected. Has some decent coaching experience already too. Its worth a listen anyway.

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1 hour ago, gannonball said:

Apologies if this already been mentioned but  I listened to Maurice Ross on the Si Ferry Podcast. Surprisingly came across as a smart enough guy with little self importance compared to your typical thick ex footballer with a bit of a chip on their shoulder when they have had to retire earlier than expected. Has some decent coaching experience already too. Its worth a listen anyway.

It's funny, I watched the same interview today. I thought he came across as an egotistical, arrogant w****r with the personality of a fucking lamppost. 

Wasn't for me. 

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It's funny, I watched the same interview today. I thought he came across as an egotistical, arrogant w****r with the personality of a fucking lamppost. 

Wasn't for me. 

I thought he was awfully serious compared to si ferrys other ones which might have portrayed some arrogance about the guy. Spent a lot of the time saying how much players were better than him though, almost in awe at times.

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I thought it was one of the more boring of Si's interviews to be fair. The thing I like about them is because the majority of the interviewees are his genuine mates, they are much more relaxed and I have to admit there's a load of them have changed pre-conceived opinions I've had about people.

From the point of view of him coming on board with us though, I think he's a natural successor to Craigan as they both are big on the idea of instilling professionalism and discipline from a young age as a foundation to build talent on. I think he'll be a great appointment.

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Jordan Rossiter should be a non starter. We have enough in the centre of the park. Gorrin, Campbell, Turnbull, McHugh, Grimshaw, Bigirimana. Cadden when he is fit too. If we need to go past that depth then I have no problem with Liam Brown coming into the first team.  That is 8 guys that can play in a midfield 3.

What would be the point in getting Jordan Rossiter on loan? In the Express Burns says it would be contigent on someone leaving. Realistically I could see Bigi leaving in a Bowman type exit. But still I would rather we give our on guys a chance than some Rangers dud.

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I listened to the Maurice Ross interview a few days ago and really couldn't make my mind up about him. At some points I thought he came across well and other bits he just seemed to be an arrogant arse.
Could well be a good coach for us though.
I've been listening to some of the older Open Goal podcasts and enjoyed the Moyes and Archie Knox ones. I was bit disappointed the Knox interview skipped his time at Motherwell and subsequent departure to Aberdeen, deciding to focus on his time at Manchester United, Rangers and his first stint at Aberdeen instead for some reason.

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I expected a bit more movement both in and out during the window, but at this moment in time I think we can be pretty happy with how it's went.

McCormack looks like he's got a bit of a way to go in terms of fitness and he's still striving to achieve over 10 touches across his two appearances, but hopefully that'll come with more game time, it was suggested he was injured before he arrived and that it would be the end of the month before he'd be ready.

Ariyibi has been promising, he's clearly blessed with great pace and offers something we've been badly lacking so far this season. Maybe take him off set-pieces as he seems to barely be able to get the ball off the ground, but early signs are very good.

Then in the potential of Turnbull signing and Hastie's brilliant performance on Wednesday - we're looking decent in terms of personnel. 

Those that have left, I think there was pretty much universal agreement that the guys had done us a turn, but wasn't great disappointment or worry following their departures. 

Suspect there will probably be a bit more business done in terms of incomings and outgoings in the next five days, but so far, so good.

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4 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said:

I listened to the Maurice Ross interview a few days ago and really couldn't make my mind up about him. At some points I thought he came across well and other bits he just seemed to be an arrogant arse.
Could well be a good coach for us though.
I've been listening to some of the older Open Goal podcasts and enjoyed the Moyes and Archie Knox ones. I was bit disappointed the Knox interview skipped his time at Motherwell and subsequent departure to Aberdeen, deciding to focus on his time at Manchester United, Rangers and his first stint at Aberdeen instead for some reason.

That's where Ferry's stuff confuses me. 

After Celtic he's played with a number of smaller clubs, but his go to question with guys who made their breakthrough anywhere except for Celtic and Rangers is - 'so did you start to think I'm too good to play here?' It's almost as if he disregards smaller teams, but then every so often you'll get an episode like the one with Louis Moult or last week Trevor Carson guesting - it's quite hard to fathom.

 

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10 hours ago, well fan for life said:

I can’t listen to Si Ferry anymore. Absolute brain damage. Gets to a vaguely serious point then “SO THEN YOU SIGNED FOR SUNDERLAND THAT MUST HAVE BEEN SOME PATTER EH HAHAHAHAH”

 

I am with this guy

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On 26/01/2019 at 14:11, capt_oats said:

No Sammon in the squad today lads.

Seems like the most obvious candidate to leave at present. He falls into the same category as Bowman and Rose in terms of being both expendable but we could probably find someone else to take him. 

Actually looking at our bench yesterday, it’s the strongest it’s been in sometime.

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Ferguson, Hartley, McHugh, Bigirimana, Frear, Johnson & McCormack 

So much so that our captain, top scorer and big January signing were all unused subs. That’s also us without guys like Carson, Cadden, Tanner as well as Sammon, ATS and Donnelly.

Looking at it, it’s hard to see too many others that you feel Robinson would see as expendable but we could also find other teams actually willing to take them. Maybe why we’ve done very little business since the opening week in the window?

You also have to wonder if our current league form/position is making Robinson and co reconsider their plans somewhat. Should be an interesting last few days of the window regardless, however I don’t expect us to be as busy as I did this time last week. 

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